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Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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That's because that number is a reference to a plurality of years, not a plurality of trillions.

If you say so, I guess I'm just wrong about this. Thank you for trying to clarify for me, instead of just downvoting me into oblivion like everyone else.

I don't think you're "just wrong," there's definitely some ambiguity. You can use "trillions" to denote the scale or magnitude of a value and also to denote a denomination.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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Moore's Law applied to DNA complexity hints that life could be way older than Earth itself: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/513781/moores-law-and-the...

I suspect something's not right, on their graph, mammals are on the top, but this flower has 50 times bigger genome than a human: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_japonica

Plants often have much larger genomes than animals due to whole chromosome replications. Since they are much simpler phenotypically this isn't nearly fatal.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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> could have been You write like its all over. Pretty odd.

No, it's written like a thought on how we as a species would have evolved given the possibility of visiting a close planet instead of the moon at the same age of technology. I mean with closer proximity it would have been a race to a neighboring planet rather than touching down on the moon, and where we are now we could have feasibly accomplished interplanetary travel without issue already. His comment doesn't even b…

I frankly disagree.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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> Asteroid mining on any sort of commercial scale is far future, not near future. Even with fully reusable rockets, asteroid mining wouldn't be profitable; anything we need can be obtained cheaper on Earth. It's certainly in the future, it just all depends on what is far to you. Many companies who want to get in on this are hoping to attempt within the next 10-15 years (obviously commercial mining would come some yea…

That's not how it would work. Incoming kinetic projectiles are just as vulnerable to defensive systems as ballistic missiles. Hit it hard enough and you can knock out the guidance system. They would need very precise and sensitive guidance systems to hit anything from orbit. Space enthusiasts constantly underestimate costs and schedules. Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean that the engineeri…

> Incoming kinetic projectiles are just as vulnerable to defensive systems as ballistic missiles. Hit it hard enough and you can knock out the guidance system

Not true at all. Kinetic projectiles would have no guidance system. It's just a big, dumb piece of tungsten. That's it. You would have to hit it hard enough to make sure that, when it hits, it won't cause damage. This means near complete vaporization. That's very energy intensive.

Ballistic missiles, however, simply need to have their payload exploded at almost any distance away from the target to reduce its power to near nothingness.

> If there is large-scale asteroid mining in my lifetime then I'll eat my hat.

Not sure how old you are but if you're under 40 and not planning on dying sooner than average then, in my opinion, you should start looking up hat recipes :D. At least I hope but it depends because the primary customer for asteroid mining is going to be space companies and government agencies like NASA. A disruptive political system that prevents said purchases could hamper progress significantly.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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post #741

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If you say so, I guess I'm just wrong about this. Thank you for trying to clarify for me, instead of just downvoting me into oblivion like everyone else.

I don't think you're "just wrong," there's definitely some ambiguity. You can use "trillions" to denote the scale or magnitude of a value and also to denote a denomination.

I definitely think it's a an interesting case of context, because if you say a quantity "could even be in the hundreds" it is unambiguously stating it could be within the singular hundreds. But change that into "is in the hundreds" and suddenly you aren't so sure.

Even the term "hundreds" alone seems to carry less ambiguity than its superiors, thousands, billions, etc. The higher the quantity, the more imprecision when using the plural form. I guess I was just trying to encourage a little more precision when talking astronomically, though retroactively I see that I could have been less of a dick about it.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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51.0.1 32bit. Don't ask me why I'm running 32bit FF, this is news to me as well.

I'd be more inclined to ask why it worked for you in that exact version, but not for me in the very same one. (Mine might be 64-bit, but I can't see that making a difference here.)

I went to investigate for curiosity's sake but OP changed the link on us!

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

#747
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Why are people so excited about planet which is 39 light years away, when we are living in a society where 8 hours of slavery is required to survive. This is not listed focal.

That attitude is why you are subjecting yourself to 8 hours of slavery!

May be u r right

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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>One of my scale numbers is, everything between Jupiter and the Sun masses less than 2 Earths -- Venus, Mars, Mercury, the Moon, and all the asteroids mass less than the Earth. Is that correct? Venus alone is about 90% the size of Earth, and Mars roughly 33%. It really seems like all those bodies put together should be greater than 1 Earth mass (but less than 2 Earth masses).

That's size, not mass. Venus is about 81% Earth's mass, and Mars is only a little over 10%. Mercury gets you another 5.5%, the Moon (as above) another 1.2%, and the asteroids are negligible. In the outer solar system, it's basically all the Galilean Moons + Titan. ETA: Hmm, or maybe those are surface gravity numbers you're thinking of?

Yep, I was roughly equating mass with surface gravity, which I see now is incorrect.

I do find it really interesting and a little mind-boggling that the Moon, as huge as it is, with a good 1/6 of Earth's gravity, only has 1.2% of Earth's mass. Same with Mars: a good 1/3 of Earth's gravity, but a mere 10% of its mass. I really thought there'd be more direct correlation between mass and gravity than that. Of course, surface gravity is related to mass with both density and radius, but still, I would have assumed that the densities of these bodies would have been rather similar, as they're all small, rocky worlds.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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That's not how it would work. Incoming kinetic projectiles are just as vulnerable to defensive systems as ballistic missiles. Hit it hard enough and you can knock out the guidance system. They would need very precise and sensitive guidance systems to hit anything from orbit. Space enthusiasts constantly underestimate costs and schedules. Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean that the engineeri…

> Incoming kinetic projectiles are just as vulnerable to defensive systems as ballistic missiles. Hit it hard enough and you can knock out the guidance system Not true at all. Kinetic projectiles would have no guidance system. It's just a big, dumb piece of tungsten. That's it. You would have to hit it hard enough to make sure that, when it hits, it won't cause damage. This means near complete vaporization. That's ve…

You seem to be hilariously ignorant about the realities of aerodynamics, rocketry, and orbital mechanics. Due to atmospheric turbulence and normal thrust variations in the rocket motors that would have to be used for de-orbit burns, any unguided projectiles would have such as huge CEP as to make them militarily useless. Unguided projectiles launched from aircraft today can't reliably hit anything at distances over a few miles; satellites are much farther. A (sensitive and fragile) terminal guidance system would be an absolute necessity. Contrary to what arrogant programmers might think, DARPA isn't run by idiots and they gave up on such nonsense schemes for good reason long ago.

As for asteroid mining, hope doesn't count for anything. There is no shortage of essential raw materials here on Earth. No one is going to commit the hundreds of billion $ necessary to do it on more than a trial basis. There's simply no economic incentive nor is there political will to spend that money. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Re: Seven earth-sized planets discovered circling a star 39 light years from Earth

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How about intergalactic densities?

Don't know the number off the top of my head, but it should be considerably less. It should also be highly varying as some galaxies live in pretty densely packed environments (galaxy clusters), which some live in very open environments like our own galaxy.

Nothing like a little "look it up yo damn self": Looks like it's about 1 hydrogen per m^3 [1] (via SO [2]), about 1 million times less dense. Damn.

  [1]: http://www.universetoday.com/30280/intergalactic-space/
  [2]: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/25378/how-vacuous-is-intergalactic-space/25379#25379
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