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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #313
leereeves wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? Yes, it says crime has decreased over the last 20-25 years. It also says that over the last few years: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher…

Guidelines (for parent also): https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." "

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by fulafel »

polack wrote: post #312
zurn wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants This claim is false, > (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago) and this attribution is also false.

Source video: http://www.svtplay.se/video/12505960/veckans-brott/veckans-b... He says that "if you look across the board on all convicted crimes it's half-half between natives and immigrants. But if you look at the more 'sensitive' crimes there is a significant over representation of immigrants"

That's different, overrepresentation vs majority of crimes.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

booleandilemma wrote: post #65

Relevant WSJ article: Trump Is Right: Sweden’s Embrace of Refugees Isn’t Working https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-swedens-embrace-...

The question is, what does "working" mean?

Those refugees are mostly good people. They escaped war. That must count as a glorious success?

Whether Sweden is better off or slightly worse off (yes we have more crime, more public expenses, etc) is secondary. Obviously there is a limit to what Swedes will accept - but even debating this issue without acknowledging the positive side of it (people being safe) is completely mental.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by daveguy »

dep_b wrote: post #189
beefield wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. That depends. If you are looking for excuses for racism, it obviously is not relevant. But if you claim that the Swedish society has turned dangerous because of the immigrant crimes, it should be highly relevant for the discussion.

> If you are looking for excuses for racism Why is the conclusion that immigrants dominate the statistics of violence against women racist? I don't think there are many people who believe the cause of this statistic is genetic. I thought women should be safe regardless the perpetrator but there is this weird dual standard where the whole company Uber (correctly!) gets the blame because of it's douchebag culture even…

> Why is the conclusion that immigrants dominate the statistics of violence against women racist?

Because it appears to be a made up conclusion for the purpose of stoking anti-immigrant sentiment. You have yet to provide a source. OP has sources. GP has sources. You have fear mongering.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by turc1656 »

alkonaut wrote: post #336
polack wrote: post #70

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It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

Remarks like this is exactly why this whole debate has derailed. No one is even contesting that immigrants commit more crimes IT'S EVEN IN THIS ARTICLE WHICH IS AN ARTICLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT. Yet yeah it's covered up. Sure.

"No one is even contesting that immigrants commit more crimes"

You must be joking. There is a huge amount of people who claim they don't. For example, these media outlets which many people find to be reputable:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/immigrants-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigran...

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bersani-piquero-i...

Or you could hear the (former) US ambassador to Sweden claim the increase of 1.5 million violent crimes in Sweden is not attributable to refugees (around 3:58) - "...does not mean that is somehow related to migrants." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFPjEM0Izpc

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

ptaipale wrote: post #149
zond wrote: post #103

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The swedish government has no censorship powers.

It's not that simple. There's a lot happening on this front, and when the government controls a substantial part of the economy, they have effective censorship powers even when they're not actually burning books. National economist Tino Sanandaji has been writing about how BRÅ (Brottsförebyggande rådet) has ceased to make statistics about immigration-rateld crime, for political reasons. He published a book about this…

Librarians are socialists and liberals to nearly 100% no surprise there. They also have a lot of autonomy in deciding what books to buy.

And the fact that people from the Middle East would have more room to maneuver in discussions about racism without being accused of racism is hardly surprising.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by pharrington »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

To me it seems the obvious problem is that the socio-economic dynamical system called Sweden doesn't know how to integrate foreigners. The core problem has nothing to do with the migrant crisis or Muslim cultures. The solution definitely requires a serious examination of the current migrant crisis and Muslim cultures.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by rodionos »

The way the report emphasizes particular reference points makes it hard to read. It almost looks like they're cherry-picking particular dates.

Regardless of the context in which we are discussing these counter-arguments, having raw statistics is always helpful:

https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/013dc374#fullscreen

The data comes from the same agency, BRA, that is referenced in the report: https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #313
leereeves wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? Yes, it says crime has decreased over the last 20-25 years. It also says that over the last few years: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher…

Guidelines (for parent also): https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." "

The comment I replied to merited just a touch of attitude in reply, I think.

"Did you read the information provided?"

"Here is the tldr as you obviously didn't."

"I suggest you waddle off to voat."

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ahoka »

ForRealsies wrote: post #273
ahoka wrote: post #214

"Sweden needs immigration to compensate for the decline in numbers of babies being born here." Is this really a problem with the increasing levels of automation?

Robots don't pay social security.

Well they also don't vote left, so I guess you are right.
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