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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

partisan wrote: post #162
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strangely worded because "no-go area" is a dog-whistle that means a lot more to certain groups than others. There's a whole bunch of people who think Muslims are secretly taking over western nations, and being aided by Jews. As part of that they believe they are literally setting up whole cities under Islamic law. This is why Obama not being born in Kenya can seem like political trivia to one person, but evidenc…

So that I can correctly align my world view with yours, under what circumstances can one use the terms "Sharia" and "Muslim brotherhood"?

You can use them any way you want, just be aware when you do that some people think Dearborn in Michigan, or Birmingham in the UK are currently no-go areas for anyone who is not a conservative muslim, so any mention of Sharia which isn't a condemnation basically means you approve of this scenario and are part of the conspiracy to bring down the west.

And this conspiracy goes right to the top. The current president of the USA accused the previous president of the USA live on national television of helping to organise a terrorist shooting in a Florida nightclub. Hilarious right? What a wacky character. Not so funny when you realise large numbers of people literally believe this to be the case.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can you make commit atrocities" -- Voltaire.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ra1n85 »

tomlock wrote: post #238
ra1n85 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were. If that die was six-side, but I told you there was a consistent 10% chance of rolling a 1, then I'm providing you with a bad probability. The media and pollsters did the same (for whatever reason).

>Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were. Nope. If polling couldn't determine what the odds really were, the probabilities, which showed it was well within the realm of possibility that trump would win, aren't evidence the polls were out of alignment with reality.

Yes :)

Semantics at this point. I'll rephrase your comment with consistent terms:

If polling couldn't determine what the odds really were, the odds, which showed it was well within the realm of possibility that trump would win, aren't evidence the polls were out of alignment with reality.

The possibility of Trump winning does not exonerate the accuracy of the odds presented by polls. The odds were not correct, and the polling data was flawed.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by belorn »

acqq wrote: post #240
leereeves wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? Yes, it says crime has decreased over the last 20-25 years. It also says that over the last few years: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher…

Moreover the usable statistics of 2016 are missing, since 2015 is a special year in Europe: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35158769

Its February. It generally takes a bit time before SCB publish last years data, and I don't think the migrant crisis impacted this work.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by yAnonymous »

trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

>The way this is worded is weird

Especially when you consider that "53 residential areas" are way beyond what the Swedish government and law enforcement can control and contain. In a properly ran country, this would pose some kind of state emergency, but they keep ignoring it.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

ra1n85 wrote: post #272
tomlock wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were. Nope. If polling couldn't determine what the odds really were, the probabilities, which showed it was well within the realm of possibility that trump would win, aren't evidence the polls were out of alignment with reality.

Yes :) Semantics at this point. I'll rephrase your comment with consistent terms: If polling couldn't determine what the odds really were, the odds , which showed it was well within the realm of possibility that trump would win, aren't evidence the polls were out of alignment with reality. The possibility of Trump winning does not exonerate the accuracy of the odds presented by polls. The odds were not correct, and t…

>The possibility of Trump winning does not exonerate the accuracy of the odds presented by polls. The odds were not correct, and the polling data was flawed.

If there are 10% odds of something happening and it happens after one event, that's absolutely not a reason to say the data points that generated the odds are flawed.

That is the reason you presented.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by _of »

I find it surprising that Trump supporters worry about no-go zones in Sweden. Have they ever been to New York City? Have you visited Bronx, neighborhoods in Brooklyn, or Jamaica in Queens, East New York, and would you consider them safe? NYC is your country, not a foreign country in Europe.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by a-guest »

Pxtl wrote: post #104

Can we not do this in HN? I've watched many communities I used to enjoy get ruined by flamewars over Islamophobia and immigration, and I'd rather not see that happen here.

"Islamophobia" - what are the origins of that word? http://www.signandsight.com/features/2123.html

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by SyneRyder »

theshrike79 wrote: post #94
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

A news piece by NRK (Norwegian equivalent of the BBC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24PCOMi3QAQ&feature=youtu.be... Straight from the horse's mouth (cops in this case). tl;dw they wear bulletproof vests and helmes in Malmö (BP vests are really rare on nordic police officers compared to the US)

Might be better to link directly to the NRK news story:

https://www.nrk.no/urix/svensk-politi_-_-vi-er-i-ferd-med-a-...

That link includes video interviews with Stockholm police (not Malmö), with one police officer claiming they experience Police Fishing ("polis-fishing"), fake calls designed to bring the police to a specific location, where they are ambushed by locals who attack them by throwing stones at them ("steinkasting").

The report also mentions "no go-zones", but I can't find any mention of that specific phrase in the Swedish Police PDF that NRK link to and use as their reference.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by andrewclunn »

andrewclunn wrote: post #37

Nobody is interested in generalized studies about immigration or 25 year statistical trends. They want to know what's happened in the last two years or so since the refugee crisis started. So much of what is put forward here just doesn't apply, and blatantly so, that I assume motivated reasoning.

Hey biased hacker news people who love to down vote comments they disagree with even if they make valid points, here's a second one for you to double down on. And don't give me that "don't comment on being down voted" crap. That's just a way to make discussion for how calling out ideologically motivated rating off limits.
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