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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by _of »

GrumpyNl wrote: post #3
DanBC wrote: post #2

See also this BBC report. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39056786

thats all? see this list. https://www.rt.com/news/329243-sweden-migrant-stabbed-teenag... http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3584/sex-s... http://www.independentsentinel.com/muslim-rapes-child-in-swe... http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768980/Sweden-cover-up-m... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe... http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/162-000-kom-till-sverige-5... https://ww…

The RT dot com sites are essentially Russian propaganda.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by factsaresacred »

otalp wrote: post #174
lngnmn wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is plainly wrong. Socioeconomic factors are not the major ones. Culture, habits and social conditioning in general are. People who do not share (or even comprehend) the shared values of other cultures have no respect to them and perceive others as "aliens". This works both ways. The cultural incompatibility and different social conditioning are the major factors. Basically, well-educated people of any origin wou…

What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones', to the extent that that you can confidently state that it is 'plainly' wrong to attribute differences to poverty and lack of education?

> What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones'?

How about the Swedish government themselves?

- A 1996 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) study found that "there any indication that immigrants in Sweden are discriminated in the courts. Immigrant overrepresentation in registered crime is almost certainly real...nor is it caused by any generally lower social economic status (calculated as per SEI code) in Sweden."

- Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively."

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-...

Besides, socioeconomic factors to justify rape....really?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by demonshalo »

epsylon wrote: post #130
demonshalo wrote: post #25

I would personally recommend you follow https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar . He breaks down all the hypocrisy regarding this particular topic in his videos on YouTube. Sources for his video material can be found in the description box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsoZ0uDOGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qwr6KvmUc

Yep, that guy totally seems like a reasonable and unbiased POV: https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar/status/831600862866898954

Don't think u can recognize a trolling post when you see one! :D

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by yAnonymous »

literallycancer wrote: post #74
leereeves wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen Meanwhile in Sweden: > According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

In Germany the percentage of foreign suspects about matches with the percentage of convictions, so statistically speaking the suspicions are correct.

I'd be surprised if it was different in Sweden, or any other country with similar problems, as it's easy to distinguish the looks of most immigrants and the local population.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by beefield »

cowl wrote: post #235
beefield wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. That depends. If you are looking for excuses for racism, it obviously is not relevant. But if you claim that the Swedish society has turned dangerous because of the immigrant crimes, it should be highly relevant for the discussion.

It is irrelevant since they refuse to keep statics based on the Ethnicity. Example (fictitious) if total Crime has decreased by 1% but crime by Swedish citizens has decreased by 5% it would actually show a 4% crime increase in non Swedish population. although this fictitious figure may seems small it would be nonetheless an unwarranted risk increase. Not everything that distinguishes based on ethnicity is racism othe…

> figure may seems small it would be nonetheless an unwarranted risk increase.

That is again another discussion where it may be relevant.

I took a quite specific discussion ("Sweden has turned dangerous because of crimes by immigrants") and in that discussion the fact(?) that total crime numbers have not increased is very relevant.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by megous »

dagenleg wrote: post #165
megous wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be very careful. They lie about even relatively inconsequential things. Like particular bombings in Syria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQdBHQjPHs This one is back from the time of the siege of Aleppo last year. Frontline reporting is probably even more biased than anything else. Journalist speaking against the soldiers he's embedded with? What will happen next time he's embedded with any troops?

Correct me if I am wrong, but it's just about the thumbnail inappropriately used in one of the videos. Not about the report itself or the factual errors in it. Just the thumbnail which was probably assigned from some stock of "Syrian war destruction photos". That's sounds more like sloppy work than a deliberate lie.

It's not a generic stock photo. It's a photo from rebel held areas made just 4 days prior to the report. Clearly labeled as such on the purchase page.

http://pictures.reuters.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&VBID=2C0...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by cik2e »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It seems that the main point of contention is whether migrants are more or less likely to commit crimes (in Sweden). This article doesn't answer this question at all for us. The following is the one remotely relevant statistic:

>> People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background. According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

And even this isn't really what we're looking for because accusations != convictions. One can easily postulate that foreigners would have higher chances of being falsely accused, and factors like this have to be accounted for in the analysis.

The only factual evidence that we have to go on so far is otalp's reference to a study that showed German refugees are less likely to commit crimes than the average citizen.

Sadly, in this kind of argument, facts rarely matter and will likely not change erroneous views.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by sebcat »

ra1n85 wrote: post #58
piva00 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

Leftover Yugoslavian M75s. They're easy to get across borders and there's a demand for them among certain groups of people.

Semi-related: A significant amount of illegal firearms in Europe (including the firearms used in recent attacks) were sold legally in Slovakia as "deactivated acoustic expansion weapons" and then "reactivated".

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by factsaresacred »

lumberjack wrote: post #136

This discussion about whose statistics are more correct, seems to me to resemble those who argue that certain races have statistically higher IQ or statistically higher net worth or are statistically more inclined to be involved in crime. OK, so you have statistics that show that you are right. What you going to do with them? Start discriminating against every single individual of that particular ethnic group?

> OK, so you have statistics that show that you are right. What you going to do with them?

Use them to guide immigration policy in order to protect your citizens.

Facts matter.

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