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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Sacho »

freeflight wrote: post #210
Sacho wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

How about you stop trying to interpret articles that try to interpret reports and instead go straight to the source aka the reports? Here's the BKA report on "Crime in the context of migrant influx 1st Quarter of 2016": https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/Themen/Siche... That report also puts the number of "sexual assaults", out of all the crimes committed by migrants, at 1.10%.

But I wasn't contesting that at all? I was taking the number of 1.1%, quoted as purportedly "really low", and trying to extrapolate what the number of sexual assaults is among the population at large. Like my last paragraph says, that extrapolation is around 0.8%, still not enough to justify a title "refugees commit less crime than Germans". The report you linked doesn't help me at all, only providing an even larger number than I started with for migrant crimes.

In fact, the report just reaffirmed what I've already heard elsewhere - the vast majority of crimes come not from "Syrian refugees", but migrants from countries without a crisis that would lead to them seeking asylum. This has been a very common criticism of the "floodgate" approach to accepting all immigrants regardless of their ability to justify their refugee status.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by krona »

ra1n85 wrote: post #58
piva00 wrote: post #40

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No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

The Yugoslav mafia is well established in parts of Sweden; mostly in rural areas that the government seem to have forgotten exist. The rest is just supply and demand; mostly demand from Somali crime gangs.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomp »

nailer wrote: post #64

This Vice reporter has an excellent tweetstorm that covers the inaccuracies of both the left and the right regards to Sweden. It starts here. I've scraped it with some regexs: https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/834537369432911872 Thread: Both left and right are talking a lot of nonsense about the situation in #Malmo. I was there four weeks ago, reporting on the fatal shooting of 16-year-old Ahmed Obaid, an Iraq…

Excellent find - I can't say if it's unbiased or not, but it definitely seems that way. Thanks!

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by cowl »

beefield wrote: post #127
polack wrote: post #70

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It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

> It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. That depends. If you are looking for excuses for racism, it obviously is not relevant. But if you claim that the Swedish society has turned dangerous because of the immigrant crimes, it should be highly relevant for the discussion.

It is irrelevant since they refuse to keep statics based on the Ethnicity. Example (fictitious) if total Crime has decreased by 1% but crime by Swedish citizens has decreased by 5% it would actually show a 4% crime increase in non Swedish population. although this fictitious figure may seems small it would be nonetheless an unwarranted risk increase. Not everything that distinguishes based on ethnicity is racism otherwise the vast majority of Medical research would be racist because they target specific populations for specific drugs.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by piva00 »

ra1n85 wrote: post #58
piva00 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

From what I'm aware of, grenade attacks mostly occur between gangs in Malmö and some areas of Skåne and Göteborg. I'm not a Swedish national, I'm an expat living here so I don't have the whole story behind these gangs and why they mostly gathered around Göteborg and Malmö but not Stockholm.

What I know is that these grenades came from the Balkans after the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia, now why is it so common for it to happen in Sweden of all countries I honestly don't know.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by koonsolo »

glenndebacker wrote: post #156
koonsolo wrote: post #12

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Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

"but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods" It would help because those things are mostly done by the youth born there. Most migrants in a small (2sq miles although some like to extrapolate it to the whole country) community like Molenbeek (where most of those problems originate) are second generation or more. We are way past the point where it's a migration pro…

100% agree with you. It's a problem that is not easily fixed.

Taking about the vicious circle, I heard of a company that basically discards any resume with a male Arabic name in it, because they had lots of problems with that group in the past, but not for the women. Too bad for the Mohammed who wants to do a good job of course.

Very hard problem, but it all starts with being totally honest about the situation.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

ra1n85 wrote: post #221
tomlock wrote: post #206

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So saying an event has a 10% chance of happening, and then it happening after one roll of the dice, is enough reason to doubt the data?

Nope. Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were. If that die was six-side, but I told you there was a consistent 10% chance of rolling a 1, then I'm providing you with a bad probability. The media and pollsters did the same (for whatever reason).

>Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were.

Nope.

If polling couldn't determine what the odds really were, the probabilities, which showed it was well within the realm of possibility that trump would win, aren't evidence the polls were out of alignment with reality.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by grzm »

redsummer wrote: post #192
redsummer wrote: post #43

I mistook these picture for the members of Abba: https://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/(RequestingCou...

and these are the Most Wanted from next door Denmark: https://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/(RequestingCou... Remember: Downvote, and make sure you don't notice any patterns. Anything else is crimethink.

You're likely being downvoted for posting a jokey comment more than anything else. From what I've observed on HN, if you're concerned about downvotes, it's likely better to err on the side of straightforward rather than clever.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by acqq »

leereeves wrote: post #212
eksemplar wrote: post #199

Did you read the information provided? Here is the tldr as you obviously didn't. Crime has decreased in Sweden. Crime amongst immigrants in Sweden has decreased throughout the migrant crisis. Most violent crime in Sweden is performed by ethnical Swedes. Most sexual assaults in Sweden are performed by ethnical Swedes. These are official numbers from one of the least corrupt governments in the world, and if you want to…

Did you read the article? Yes, it says crime has decreased over the last 20-25 years. It also says that over the last few years: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher…

Moreover the usable statistics of 2016 are missing, since 2015 is a special year in Europe:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35158769

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