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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#191
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This political correctness can have a serious backswing when people go to vote. As we have seen in US, and as we will see in Europe.

I understand that one motivation behind not providing crime breakdowns by ethnicity is to avoid providing information that might be used without context to justify hate. But it is also a little racist to try to hide the problem, as if criminality is inherent to the ethnicity and cannot be solved, so may as well be ignored.

But pointing out the positive statistics of immigrants (e.g. https://hbr.org/2016/10/immigrants-play-a-disproportionate-r... ) - is okay?

Ignore the data supporting one side of the debate, and of course the other side will seem more convincing.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#192

I mistook these picture for the members of Abba: https://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/(RequestingCou...

and these are the Most Wanted from next door Denmark: https://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/(RequestingCou...

Remember: Downvote, and make sure you don't notice any patterns. Anything else is crimethink.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#193
post #70
post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#194
post #113
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

"the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden."

This is a classic red-herring.

'They were poor therefore they have bad behaviours'.

The failure of the logic is the assumption of correlation/causation.

One might argue that 'bad behaviour will lead one to being poor'.

I have no doubt that immigrants from Somalia will have a harder time than 'Sven Swede' growing up. At the same time, there are some truly terrible behaviours among specific immigrant groups.

This is the hardest part: the pro and anti immigrant camps are speaking past each other.

Important note: For some reason, ethnic minorities in Europe are considerably more marginalized then they are in the US - it's completely different.

Europe has a 'strong social safety net' - and 'social policy' of welfare etc. - BUT - they have very strong sense of ethnic identity, and very close social circles. A young Somalian may have very few Swedish friends.

In the US - people are far more gregarious and open personally. It's nothing to see a table of people of different ethnic backgrounds - but the social safety net is usually much weaker, no health insurance etc..

I live in Montreal, we have a good chunk of Muslims. They don't look too 'out of place'. You can't tell they are Muslim by looking. They could be Indian, Southern Italian, Greek.

But go to Belgium - the various Muslim communities are distinct, and ethnic identity is obvious. I've never seen a Burqa in Montreal, and Hijab not too often. In Belgium they are all over. Muslims live in 'broad areas' in Montreal, but in Belgium very specific communities.

It's a little bit of a mystery to me but I think it has everything to do with 'very traditional and conservative' social culture in Europe - even though paradoxically they are 'intellectually liberal'. Example: if you drink with a nice, well educated, open minded and kind Belgian - you may hear an 'African joke'. It's not considered as racist as it would be in America. Yet the Belgian will likely be more supportive of giving refuge and social services to the Africans than the average American. It's weird.

Sweden has a notorious degree of censorship in their press - they self-censor to control information in terms of what they 'deem is best for Sweden'. They will absolutely suppress information if it may cause some populist sentiment. It's just part of their culture.

The problem, of course, is that by suppressing real dialogue, then the loudest and craziest right-wing voices are the one's that get hard, and they cause a fuss, which is bad, and it may come to a breaking point.

I suggest that more transparency on the issues would be better for all involved.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#195
post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Most of the crimes in Sweden is done by immigrants. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It's creepy to see this kind of behaviour condoned and labeled as nothing. Sweden: Rape Capital of the West https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Everything is factual in that statement but seems to burst some peoples bubble.

You are deliberately lying and citing well-known unreliable sources. Why are you doing this? Are you trying to push some pre-concieved agenda? I genuinely don't understand.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#196
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Wikileaks: Swedish media admits to censoring stories for the last five years on migrant crime https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/688999781193117696?lang...

How many times can this get posted? Do people who post it read the actual translation before sending it further down the rabbit hole?

There's a single mention of the word "immigration" in the article. It has absolutely no mentions of "migrant crime", as WikiLeaks claims in its tweet.

The only thing that the article says about immigration is that an anonymous journalist "can't be bothered" to talk about sensitive migration issues.

Calling that "Swedish media admitting to censoring stories" is as far fetched as it can be.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#197
Never believe anything until it is officially denied.

I see the same rhetoric in NL and DE, and other parts of Europe. Officials keep denying the issues with manipulated statistics. People know better, and as long as "populists" are labelled a cause rather than an effect, the problem is not going away.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#198
post #34
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According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

I figured the same (the original Welt article thelocal.de quotes does not even say "refugees commit less crime than Germans" btw).

So, "less than 1%" of the "very low six figure" number of total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes. Ok then, so let's conservatively say it's 100,000 * 0.009 = 900 sex crimes (not sure about what time range that even covers? 1 year? First 9 months in 2015 since the report was compiled in Oct 2016).

There have been 7022 sex crimes (reported) in 2015[1], total.

Using that, the conservative estimate for sex crimes committed by refugees of the total sex crimes committed is: 900 / 7022 = 12.8%

Let's assume (and grossly overestimate really) there were about 1.5 million refugees total in (the end of) 2015 and a total population of 81 million.

So 1.8% of the population was refugees, yet that cohort committed 12% of sex crimes.

But 900 / 1.5M refugees is a at most 0.06% of refugees (not even considering multiple offenders) who commit sex crimes, compared to the total population rate of 7022 / 81M = 0.009%

Downplaying the issue is not helpful. On the other hand, it's not helpful either but actually dangerous to rubberstamp all refugees as sex offenders when only at most 0.06% of them committed a sex crime in 2015.

As pointed out already, there are many mitigating factors to put this into context.

[1] http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Broschueren/2...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#199
Did you read the information provided?

Here is the tldr as you obviously didn't.

Crime has decreased in Sweden.

Crime amongst immigrants in Sweden has decreased throughout the migrant crisis.

Most violent crime in Sweden is performed by ethnical Swedes.

Most sexual assaults in Sweden are performed by ethnical Swedes.

These are official numbers from one of the least corrupt governments in the world, and if you want to refute them you better bring something better than your own utterly useless anti-intellect.

I suggest you waddle off to voat.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#200
post #34
post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

For context: thelocal is not a reliable newspaper, you shouldn't base your facts from their articles.
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