Seems like Google/Waymo has known about this for a while, funny how they timed this lawsuit announcement during the Fowler blog post uproar
Yup, timing is everything. For press.. I doubt tho, this will affect the lawsuit.
Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being ultimately required by circumstance to make a substantial payment to settle a lawsuit does not imply that the payer was lying, or even incorrect, in their defense.
I think losing a lawsuit is definitely evidence for claims being false just as winning correlates with telling the truth about not doing wrong things, and if it is true that there is no correlation whatsoever between losing a lawsuit and making false claims, then the legal system has failed utterly (and incidentally, you have given me a great idea for a business model). Given the adversarial nature of the system and…
The Cruise lawsuit never went to trial. They settled. Neither side had their claims tried in a court of law - which, as you state, should approximate finding the truth.
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#203There's something very wrong in the world when the people who invent things aren't the main beneficiary of their own inventions. Edit: A guy downloads 9.7GB of other people's work, walks off with it, and sells it. Flushing years of work from hundreds of engineers down the toilet. You down voters really support that? Amazing.
> You down voters really support that? Amazing.
They are probably misinterpreting your comment; at first I thought you meant Levandowski was the one who invented the LIDAR components, so he should be financially rewarded outside the normal Google comp system (by doing this whole steal-then-get-acquired strategy)
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea that's incredibly bad if that's what that guy did.. in general for EE designs, the schematic/layouts are not that hard to deduce how you would do it if you are in contact with the company that makes the LIDAR device (the unique and difficult part -- basically just need to ask them, like "yo, how roughly should I interface with this thing and whats your recommendation on a number of the components.. and can you gi…
It seems criminal. I remember an engineer from goldman sachs went to prison for doing something similar.
Based on the story from Flash Boys, that Goldman engineer was taking something like a couple of megs worth of his own work that was related to various open source projects. But he became the poster boy for stealing trade secrets and an example to be made of.
His mistake was that he used the company internet connection to upload said source files to something like his personal github or dropbox of the sort, so there were proxy logs of him stealing corporate secrets.
Most people would've gotten their personal-ish data off a corporate laptop with a usb key/harddrive which they probably wouldn't have triggered any alarms.
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#205Sounds a bit like the Aleynikov saga..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-24/aleynikov...
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
as a candidate you're trying to please and build trust, so naturally I wouldn't raise questions that would indicate my lack of trust
Piece of unsolicited advice for the future: don't let anyone pressure you into doing anything you don't feel comfortable with. Ever. If a place is worth working for they're not going to judge you for feeling more comfortable keeping your stuff with you.
What about the TSA people asking for your cell phone at the airport? The whole border crossing incidents
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#207There's something very wrong in the world when the people who invent things aren't the main beneficiary of their own inventions. Edit: A guy downloads 9.7GB of other people's work, walks off with it, and sells it. Flushing years of work from hundreds of engineers down the toilet. You down voters really support that? Amazing.
What's absolutely hilarious is that a lot of the self-driving tech was originally funded by US, the American Citizens and google simply used it and worked on it further. Maybe every American should get shares in Waymo!
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#208Wow this has got to be the worse single month for a company that I've ever seen.
Or Microsoft antitrust?
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#209I need popcorn and front row seat for this
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems criminal. I remember an engineer from goldman sachs went to prison for doing something similar.
Based on the story from Flash Boys, that Goldman engineer was taking something like a couple of megs worth of his own work that was related to various open source projects. But he became the poster boy for stealing trade secrets and an example to be made of. His mistake was that he used the company internet connection to upload said source files to something like his personal github or dropbox of the sort, so there w…
The Flash Boys presentation is not accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9047068. (Though I don't think you should be sent to prison for a crime like that.)