How can you steal patents? Those are public info. Infringing on patents?
The title is "Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets". I hope the mods can change the HN article's to that.
Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
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#32How can you steal patents? Those are public info. Infringing on patents?
Yea, the title here is off. The lawsuit is over stealing secrets, not patents. Patented information is involved, it seems.
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#33From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…
> I was confused as to what stealing a patent actually meant
Indeed. The current title of the article is
> Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
Secrets, not Patents. If patents was the original title perhaps the author was confused.
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#34Could a mod change the title to "Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets", which is what the Bloomberg article says (for now)?
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#35There's something very wrong in the world when the people who invent things aren't the main beneficiary of their own inventions.
Edit: A guy downloads 9.7GB of other people's work, walks off with it, and sells it. Flushing years of work from hundreds of engineers down the toilet. You down voters really support that? Amazing.
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#36From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…
> stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company
Did they lock down access or were they all on google docs?
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#37From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…
How does Google build such forsenics? Do they have spyware monitoring all their company laptops?
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#38I always was incredibly surprised at how quickly Uber had working self-driving cars (with the required, highly specialized hardware). Guess this explains it.
Because Uber hired experienced people from CMU (who probably also brought gigabytes of files with them).
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uber acquired Otto around 08/2016. I don't think this explains it.
Who knows maybe they had somebody else from the Google self driving car project to steal self-driving car secrets earlier. Based on what this Levandowski guy did the industrial espionage may go unnoticed. I'm wondering if Waymo will require Uber to reveal schematics of their self-driving car project as part of the law suite.
I have doubts what was stolen was actually any of the secret sauce. An interface board for a lidar unit is probably one of the most simple things on the list.
The actual self driving software, and more importantly, all of the collected data from the waymo fleet would have been the key.
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#40From another source to provide some colour: > According to a lawsuit filed today in federal court in California, Waymo accuses Anthony Levandowski, an engineer who left Google to found Otto and now serves as a top ranking Uber executive, stole 14,000 highly confidential documents from Google before departing to start his own company. Among the documents were schematics of a circuit board and details about radar and L…
It's kind amazing that Google keeps reiterating how their incredible security protects your data, and that even employees are extremely carefully monitored. Yet their confidential trade secrets were taken by a dude who seemingly didn't have access to them as part of his job (since he had to go install the software) and a portable hard drive. The post also says he talked about replicating their technology at a competi…
I'd like to see you enter a Google data center and try to steal data.