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Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by Trundle »

angry-hacker wrote: post #26
creo wrote: post #23

Publicly shaming people for money is not right way for holding the true, athletic, fair-play spirit of running. While his work and methods are outstanding, it's still ethical burden to ask for donations just to humiliate wrongdoers. Don't get me wrong, i'm a runner myself and i'm all about reporting, but making it opportunistic just doesn't feel right for me.

Why do you think this is public shaming? If so, majority of newspapers are about public shaming. It's actually decent investigation here.

It's a public post pointing out someones shameful act. How is that not textbook public shaming?

What does the status of newspapers being public shamers have to do with it?

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by nl »

wapz wrote: post #30
nl wrote: post #24

A much more interesting "marathon cheating" story: http://time.com/3822577/rosie-ruiz-history/ Also related to Boston: http://www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/dozens-suspected...

I didn't find this one as interesting. She took the subway and popped out for the last mile. The half marathon we got a lot of info about the pace, cadence, and heartrate that the runner herself submitted.

Yes, but she won overall. That's pretty interesting for sheer boldness.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by fpig »

fergie wrote: post #43
gabemart wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I commend your call to sympathy. I don't like taking a drive-by, salacious interest in a story that doesn't affect me in the least, but will probably have serious, perhaps devastating consequences for the person involved for a long time professionally. I also think it's worth pointing out that the original article, while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-…

Thirded. It can be really easy to make navigational errors in amateur races, especially with turnaround points. Usually there is no crowd lining the whole course, signage is bad, and the marshalling can be spotty. Yes, this person is a bit narcissistic and a tad dishonest, but it might just have been easier to go along with the misunderstanding rather than fess up to messing up. EDIT: OK, OK, "very dishonest" then. M…

"A tad" dishonest?

1) She was disqualified immediately, but she complained to the person in charge and actually convinced them that they made a mistake and that she didn't cheat. If she had accepted being disqualified, this wouldn't have ended up on the internet.

2) She biked the course later in the day in an attempt to fake the data, but failed because the data is timestamped. I am not sure how she could have possibly been more dishonest than that.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by odabaxok »

Inconel wrote: post #48
fergie wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thirded. It can be really easy to make navigational errors in amateur races, especially with turnaround points. Usually there is no crowd lining the whole course, signage is bad, and the marshalling can be spotty. Yes, this person is a bit narcissistic and a tad dishonest, but it might just have been easier to go along with the misunderstanding rather than fess up to messing up. EDIT: OK, OK, "very dishonest" then. M…

>tad dishonest I agree that the internet mob can be unduly cruel, and as a larger issue I'm uncomfortable with the notion than a single mistake a person makes is now often immortalized on the internet for eternity, but does what this runner did really count merely as a tad dishonest? Honest navigational errors can indeed occur. I made one such mistake in high school during a cross country race that took place in an u…

This..

Reading the parent comments felt like they are making cheating acceptable. This did not seem like a little mistake, it seemed more like systematic cheating. She had multiple chances to apologize, but she went on until she was faced with the facts.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by taoufix »

risingintonatio wrote: post #55

What exactly is the point of this post? I second the opinion that this shouldn't be on HN. It's just doxxing the poor girl.

I thought it was about using the current Tech (GPS tracking/social media) to provide evidence.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by raverbashing »

rdtsc wrote: post #13
argonaut wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentions sponsorships.

Yap saw it and it says it was comped (by work?) as well. How much is that worth in that event vs living with knowing she cheated.

It's a half-marathon, not a University entry exam

One race alone doesn't make anyone's name.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by skrebbel »

DanBC wrote: post #44
fergie wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thirded. It can be really easy to make navigational errors in amateur races, especially with turnaround points. Usually there is no crowd lining the whole course, signage is bad, and the marshalling can be spotty. Yes, this person is a bit narcissistic and a tad dishonest, but it might just have been easier to go along with the misunderstanding rather than fess up to messing up. EDIT: OK, OK, "very dishonest" then. M…

The author has another blog post to explain who s/he writes about: http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2016/05/the-differerenc... > The overall feedback I have received from the public regarding my work on the blog and the Boston reviews has been positive. (At some point I will try to clarify the review and filtering process - but runners that just had a bad day in Boston, or paced a friend, or just took their time,…

> I agree that now she's come clean any identifying information should be removed.

How?

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by PeterisP »

ycombinete wrote: post #34
angry-hacker wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think this is public shaming? If so, majority of newspapers are about public shaming. It's actually decent investigation here.

A common answer to this is that news papers are, ostensibly, "public interest shamers". That's the defense.

This seems very much a situation of "public interest shaming", as the cheating directly harmed the legitimate runners of that marathon, and the marathon community has a legitimate interest in shaming/punishing/expelling caught cheaters (in addition to simply removing the fraudulent result) as a deterrent to potential future cheaters.

It's similar to disqualifications for fraud or doping in most sports - you don't only remove the current result, you disqualify them from some future events as a 'punishment'/deterrent.

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