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AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by spraak »

ge96 wrote: post #8
mdekkers wrote: post #7

Just like real people!

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

I imagine, maybe wishful lyrics and hopefully, that we will still need and value human coders, if at least to maintain the AI developers

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by argonaut »

A nuance that is underappreciated by a lot of people / the media is the degree to which any of the AI generates X models (faces, drawings, fills in photos, increases sharpness, etc.) simply copy and paste and interpolate from the training set.

Unlike general supervised learning problems, for many of the deep learning "generative" models that get posted to HN regularly, there is no objective "test set" to measure generalization, so it's extremely easy to claim the model has learned something. When we see a cool demo / audio sample / pictures, how do we know the model hasn't just simply interpolated a bunch of training examples? In many cases this is quite clear, like when you start seeing cats everywhere in the generated imagery. It's very hard to ferret out the BS with these models.

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by ge96 »

jondwillis wrote: post #10
ge96 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

>I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. Yeah, this is a pretty existential question that has been posed a lot around here. What do you do if you do not have to do anything? It is like vacation, forever. You are free to be lazy, or creative, or adventurous, or somewhere in between, but will you be happier? I have been between significant work for a few months and I am itching to do something…

I should check that out regarding the hiring-for-basic-income, I wonder is that a concept or... yeah should read. I don't understand how that proposed system would work as far as how things would be valued unless goods are just given to us/produced. Which you know, with regard to war I don't get what is to be gained, are there concentration camps, are there borders/lands trying to be gained. Also with the sun, what is this argument of diminishing resources if energy comes in from the sun, I mean are "nutrients" destroyed after being taken from the ground and into our bodies? sorry... ranting/rambling.

More so it was just, for me when I was not very busy I kind of felt unhappy, am I depressed? What is my purpose? I think the drive might disappear that made us evolve/try to do things in the first place. Then perhaps we become extinct haha. Got too darn efficient.

I also realize when we talk it's usually people reverting to themselves talking about themselves (I'm doing this right now). A friend of mine said "that's what people do, that's how you converse, offer your perspective tangible to the current discussion..." I don't know I just feel that I I I I I I (use the letter I) too much.

Yes, you might have just had the misfortune of crossing paths with an awkward person. Ha.

Thanks though for entertaining my thought. Wall-e is the answer.

edit: subbed awkward for neurotic

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by ge96 »

INTPenis wrote: post #9
ge96 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

> People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha Sorry but as another Google-coder I just had to say that from another perspective people pay you to do a job, to perform a task. You perform that task. How is up to you. ;)

Google-coder haha that sounds better.

Yeah can't be too copy-paste, gotta see what you're copying/pasting. Still the upvotes though/comments and date. Yeah really helpful and MDN/forums.

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by orionblastar »

ge96 wrote: post #8
mdekkers wrote: post #7

Just like real people!

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

I remember Buck Rogers in the 1980s, the robots just built other robots and programmed them. No human being built robots because robots were better at it than human beings.

They thought the same was true of the robots flying their spaceships to fight the Marauders until Buck Rogers showed them he could fight the Marauders better than the robots. Something to do with red dogging the quarterback and going with gut instincts that robots could not do.

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by mirekrusin »

ge96 wrote: post #8
mdekkers wrote: post #7

Just like real people!

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

We'll finally reach the point where we can gather by the fire in the evenings and tell stories, eat fresh apples from trees, swim in the ocean etc.

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by onion2k »

I thought this would take longer. "Developer" will stick around as a job for people who need new and unique things, or for apps that need speed, but if your job is making forms to take in data, putting it in a database, performing some sort of analysis on it, and then printing a report to the screen then you should really starting learning something else, because those jobs will not exist in 10 years.

Re: AI learns to write its own code by stealing from other programs

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Post by vidarh »

orionblastar wrote: post #17
ge96 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People pay me... to use StackOverflow haha On a serious note this could potentially suck for developers. Just like the labor jobs and automation. You have a skill set? Well this computer can do your job. I guess be the guy building the code writing the code. I do wonder what will we do when computers do everything for us. I have this motor that moves my neck to a look at a girl who also has a motor that moved her nec…

I remember Buck Rogers in the 1980s, the robots just built other robots and programmed them. No human being built robots because robots were better at it than human beings. They thought the same was true of the robots flying their spaceships to fight the Marauders until Buck Rogers showed them he could fight the Marauders better than the robots. Something to do with red dogging the quarterback and going with gut inst…

> Something to do with red dogging the quarterback and going with gut instincts that robots could not do.

There's a lot of hand-wavey wishful thinking about some innate capability humans have that robots/AI somehow will be unable to obtain in sci fi, that will semi-magically ensure we remain superior.

It's the same kind of blind-spot you run into if you try to get people to explain how free will could be possible and ask them to define it.

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