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Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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To be effective, this would need to become a kind of norm for overseas travelers, the same way traveler's checks used to be. The idea would be that just as you don't carry a bag with your birth certificate, stock certificates, property titles, and jewelry with you, you also don't carry a 10 year archive of every email you've ever sent or a detailed list of every person you've ever spoken to. In particular, it needs t…

> I think it's crazy that people walk around with phones that have access to years of email communications Why? I thought the whole point of connected, portable computers is for one to have access to pretty much all their data on the go.

Yes, for one.

Much of the point of the cloud shift was to get your data into the ownership of a private company who can make money off it.

If, for example, Apple can make up some lost money on iCloud with new obsidian gunmetal TimeCapsules with plausible deniability and localhost-tunneling features to sell to rich people, I'm sure they will try and do it.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd turn this feature on my phone right now for gmail just for "lost phone" mitigation.

The problem with that is that CBP can (and surely soon will) compel travelers to log into their accounts from CBP's own equipment.

Into their gmail accounts? That seems a little unlikely short of 'looking for any excuse to deny you entry' and there's no technical defense against that.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, the idea is that US travelers would kick-start the norm by travel-locking their accounts; they're at little risk while traveling. It might take many months or even years before travel locks were normed enough that at-risk travelers could rely on them, but that just means we should get started on these features sooner than later.

Couldn't US CBP defeat that norm for non-citizens, just by announcing "don't enable travel lock until after you clear customs, or you may not be allowed in" in the same way that they eg. tell you not to bring your codeine with you? Citizens are probably OK, at least until they bring in Exit Visas...

Plenty of non citizens are permanent (or just longterm) residents of the US who were leaving the country temporarily.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#195
> Border agents can find your profile online and make you log in on their own machine.

What if you have a long password that you cannot remember? Same for email, etc.

I don't have fb on my phone. And I don't remember the password. They would have to make me do a password reset via email, which might work.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#196
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this is any different from refusing to provide your password. Border Patrol may just detain you regardless of whether the issue is you aren't providing your password or you decided to make your device less accessible before going on your trip. Both are forms of trying to prevent them access to your device, which they won't like. The real solution seems to be changing the laws that allow them to get away with what they're doing.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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To be effective, this would need to become a kind of norm for overseas travelers, the same way traveler's checks used to be. The idea would be that just as you don't carry a bag with your birth certificate, stock certificates, property titles, and jewelry with you, you also don't carry a 10 year archive of every email you've ever sent or a detailed list of every person you've ever spoken to. In particular, it needs t…

> I think it's crazy that people walk around with phones that have access to years of email communications You think its crazy in you wish you (and everyone else) had a viable alternative? Or, you think its crazy in that you do something else that others don't do? If the latter, what do you do?

It seems like there is an inherent trade-off here between the usefulness and vulnerability of our systems.

Each feature we add for our own convenience makes a more tempting prize for a potential adversary.

Edit: Whether or not a particular feature/behaviour is reasonable or crazy depends entirely on the level of threat.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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This is completely naive. Firstly, social media's only incentive is to make your data as widely available as possible (in the interests of ad revenue), and maintain a good relationship with the government in their jurisdiction. Every other existing "privacy" setting on Facebook, LinkedIn, etc is already obfuscated to the point of unusability, for this reason, and "travel mode" would be no different. Secondly, lets im…

If a third party could access my private Facebook posts then border patrol wouldn't require my phone in the first place.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#199

I'm curious about a couple of things: 1. I far as I understand there is legal precedent establishing that electronic devices are basically the same as suitcases, and both can be searched at the border (i.e. in the same way that border agents can rummage through a backpack looking for drugs, they can rummage through a laptop's hard drive looking for evidence of drug dealing). The key idea is that objects brought acros…

> Obviously all bets are off for non-citizens.

Why shouldn't non-citizens be protected by The Constitution? Not a lawyer, but these came up pretty quick in a Google search.

"It is well established that, if an alien is a lawful permanent resident of the United States and remains physically present there, he is a person within the protection of the Fifth Amendment. He may not be deprived of his life, liberty or property without due process of law."

Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding

". . . The Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But, once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country, he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders. Such rights include those protected by the First and the Fifth Amendments and by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. None of these provisions acknowledges any distinction between citizens and resident aliens. They extend their inalienable privileges to all 'persons,' and guard against any encroachment on those rights by federal or state authority."

Bridges v. Wixon

"The alien, to whom the United States has been traditionally hospitable, has been accorded a generous and ascending scale of rights as he increases his identity with our society. Mere lawful presence in the country creates an implied assurance of safe conduct and gives him certain rights; they become more extensive and secure when he makes preliminary declaration of intention to become a citizen, and they expand to those of full citizenship upon naturalization. During his probationary residence, this Court has steadily enlarged his right against Executive deportation except upon full and fair hearing. . . . And, at least since 1886, we have extended to the person and property of resident aliens important constitutional guaranties -- such as the due process of law of the Fourteenth Amendment."

Johnson v. Eisentrager

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#200
I love this idea, but it also needs to be discussed within the context of knowing that (since Snowden) the NSA already has all your social media data categorized and ready to go should it need.

So, in context, this is about stopping one branch of government - CBP - from being able to compile data that another branch of government already has.

I love the idea but worry it might be a form of security theater, given the three lettered elephant in the room.

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