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Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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post #205

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The US isn't the only country that does this. Canada does it too, in fact recently a guy was facing 1 year in jail for not giving up his password. At least you don't face jail time in the US. New Zealand does it as well.

Thats the second time you've posted this. How about pointing at some evidence?

not parent, but this was posted elsewhere

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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As a engineer, I was quite curious to visit the US and maybe even consider it as a destination for working, but that was before I knew all the things that are going on there like problems with visas, racism (police shooting people without any repercussions), internet privacy, gun control and, yes, the border control. Currently, I have absolutely no intention of even flying through the US. The only reason I could imag…

>racism (police shooting people without any repercussions)

US police have always been shooting/killing citizens (mainly political out groups) without repercussions. The difference now is that documentation of such acts is easily accessible for large portions of the population and the information is extraordinarily easy to be decimated.

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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You're mostly right. At some point these experiences may affect tourism, business, and desirable immigration. But it's probably too distant of an effect to have that much political capital.

It's only distant in that it's near impossible to measure, so it's distant to the perception; otherwise, it's right here, right now. If not long in the past; I for one decided around 2003 that visiting the US is too spooky a prospect for me. By boat maybe, so that if I get turned back I at least have a bit of a fun time traveling. But then again why not simply go to like a thousand other places where I pretty much kn…

Agreed - I should have said 'distant externality'.

I have a trip to the USA coming up soon, I'm now worried that they'll seek passwords to my work devices.

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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If your profile isn't public and your name is common, they have no way to know it's really your profile. I know of at least one startup that's selling software to list who's browsing a website with links to their social media accounts in real time. The idea that the CBP can't work out exactly who you are on the internet from your passport seems highly improbable.

Can you name said startup?

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Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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You're mostly right. At some point these experiences may affect tourism, business, and desirable immigration. But it's probably too distant of an effect to have that much political capital.

AI/ML conferences are talking about either avoiding the US, potentially with some livestream for people stuck in the US. This year's schedule is probably set already, but 2018 may be different.

Completely off topic, but which conferences are that? Any recommendations? I'm looking to go into that field.

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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post #207

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Canada also requires your password at the border. Recently one guy even faced 1 year in prison for refusing. At least in the US you don't face prison time. New Zealand asks as well.

> Canada also requires your password at the border. Recently one guy even faced 1 year in prison for refusing. That can't be true; at least, there must be a hell of a lot more to it. Why would Canada want to pay provide prison space for a foreign national who's committed such mundane a crime as non-cooperation, and without ill-affect on any Canadian citizens?

1 year was the maximum he could have been sentenced to. You're right, that the judge would probably picked a lesser sentence. In this case, he took a guilty plea deal for a $500 fine. In this case he wasn't a foreign national, but a Canadian citizen. I'm not sure if Canada will charge people who aren't citizens.

http://www.canada-usblog.com/2016/08/16/the-waiting-game-we-...

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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Canada also requires your password at the border. Recently one guy even faced 1 year in prison for refusing. At least in the US you don't face prison time. New Zealand asks as well.

This is not exactly true. * Canadian' border can ask you for your local passwords. * You can refuse - at which point, if you are Canadian/PR, you are allowed to enter the country but your device is confiscated and sent to Ottawa for further examination. * They can NOT ask for online passwords (like your dropbox account for example). THAT SAID, if you give them your local password, and you are logged in to Dropbox, it…

Then why was Alain Philippon arrested and charged with a crime?

http://www.canada-usblog.com/2016/08/16/the-waiting-game-we-...

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US isn't the only country that does this. Canada does it too, in fact recently a guy was facing 1 year in jail for not giving up his password. At least you don't face jail time in the US. New Zealand does it as well.

Thats the second time you've posted this. How about pointing at some evidence?

I'm posting multiple times because other people keep posting that the US laws stand out as bad compared to other countries.

If you google canada border password you find this:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/alain-philippon-phone-password-case-p...

Here's a story about New Zealand asking for passwords:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada also requires your password at the border. Recently one guy even faced 1 year in prison for refusing. At least in the US you don't face prison time. New Zealand asks as well.

Not true about Canada. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13665021 And the Kiwi's might ask, but only to find out if you are violating quarantine regulations.

That comment does not disprove mine. The guy did face up to 1 year in prison. He took a guilty plea instead of trying his luck in trial.

As for New Zealand:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...

Re: US Customs block Canadian man after reading his Scruff profile

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The world is going through it isolationist phase so yes it is likely other countries will do the same. Though in the future I am seeing a possibility where governments ask for your social media handles and all that data is trawled using an ai which assess your risk profile according to the needs of the government asking the questions. Instead of all your private data getting into the hands of the government or outsid…

This will have a broad chilling effect. You can't deviate from the norm anymore. I would be worried very much if my fate lies in the hands of an AI where there is neither transparency nor recourse.

You dont have a recourse with immigration officers who can be a racist homophone or have any other hangups to reject your entry to a country. But if its AI it is more likely to look at what is relevant such as are you going to overstay or have nefarious reasons to enter. Nothing to do with your race sexual orientation or religion.
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