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Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

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Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#91
This isn't very different from refusing to provide login credentials. Sure, turning travel mode on and off could require keys, which are present only on primary devices, which are left at home. So there'd be no need to lie.

However, foreigners would likely be turned back. Because using travel mode is arguably evidence of hiding stuff. And citizens might still be detained. It seems unlikely that they'd send agents to homes, to turn off travel mode. But it's arguably not impossible.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#92
post #4

To be effective, this would need to become a kind of norm for overseas travelers, the same way traveler's checks used to be. The idea would be that just as you don't carry a bag with your birth certificate, stock certificates, property titles, and jewelry with you, you also don't carry a 10 year archive of every email you've ever sent or a detailed list of every person you've ever spoken to. In particular, it needs t…

It can be effective immediately.

Where do we have all this AI for?

+ Facebook can make a filter that only displays a tiny subset of all posts. A filter that only displays a tiny subset of my friends.

+ Gmail can make a filter that shows only a subset of my emails.

+ Preferably the AI can then fill it up with stuff. :-)

In this way it all looks perfectly fine. There is only way less info in it.

This would save me time from making accounts for traveling purposes.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#93
post #9

It's not like they couldn't make you turn travel mode off if they wanted to. How about pushing for a law closing this 4th amendment loophole at the borders, at least for citizens? Not that it'd do much. If the border agents really want to see one's social media accounts, I have zero doubt they can get that data from other government agencies. In fact, they probably already have it. It sounds to me like they're just t…

Citizens AND permanent residents. For some reason everyone is just saying citizens. But the whole intention of asking for access to people's accounts is meant to be for verifying they are complying with their visa. [1] E.g. Similar to looking through someone's documents as they cross and seeing a letter that's an offer of work would be cause for refusal if they weren't entering with the correct work permit.

But in the case of citizens and permanent residents both have no cause for this kind of verification. They're allowed to enter for any purpose. So at the very least citizens and permanent residents should not be searched.

[1] I'm not defending the practice or saying this is how it's actually being used, but it is the only actual reasonable justification CBP have for the practice of searching phones.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who care deeply about these issues work at Facebook and Google.

Please clarify: I take your answer as a (fair) response to the first objection, but what about the other ( "third parties would just start capturing and storing posts while you have "travel mode" off, and sell that to CBP, or whoever else wants to pay for it" )? Does that possibility worry you? Wouldn't that also put you in a position where you’re lying at the border ? edit: readability

I'm not sure I understand that objection. How will a third party collect non-public information from my Facebook account, or my email?

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#96

This is completely naive. Firstly, social media's only incentive is to make your data as widely available as possible (in the interests of ad revenue), and maintain a good relationship with the government in their jurisdiction. Every other existing "privacy" setting on Facebook, LinkedIn, etc is already obfuscated to the point of unusability, for this reason, and "travel mode" would be no different. Secondly, lets im…

People who care deeply about these issues work at Facebook and Google.

That's a statement that's true for all sorts of issues, for all sorts of people, at all sorts of places. But what matters is whether their employer has made them responsible for solving those issues.

What are they paid to do?

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#98
post #10

How do you turn a travel mode off? Once border patrol knows this feature exists and how it works, the jig is up. Any expiration/timeout would just cause you to be detained for the duration the travel mode is enabled. A second password to turn it off would just cause that second password to be coerced out of you. Location-based deactivation can be spoofed.

US citizens can't be detained indefinitely at the border. The limit is a few hours.

So you keep stating but there is no codified limit short of 'indefinite'.

Imagine I am a CBP agent. State your argument that I must release you after, say, 23 hours

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#99
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that technical solutions are bandaids. However, US citizens can't be denied entry. They can be delayed for a few hours, not longer.

Your device can be confiscated for much longer, of course. You could take that time difference and hopefully permanently wipe account data before the lock expired, but that has the drawback that it's terribly inconvenient for you and causes the government no great concern at all, so it might simply become routine procedure.

You can imagine a scenario where you leave detention and then de-authorize impounded devices.

The point is not that this is a perfect solution. It's a better solution than the status quo.

Re: Social Media Needs a Travel Mode

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US citizens can't be detained indefinitely at the border. The limit is a few hours.

So you keep stating but there is no codified limit short of 'indefinite'. Imagine I am a CBP agent. State your argument that I must release you after, say, 23 hours

US Marshal arriving with a court order compelling my release.
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