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Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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People get upset by the 'superhero' status of Elon Musk. Nerds everywhere worship the guy, buy his cars, watch his SpaceX launches. But honestly, let him have it, I say. He's earning it. He's taking huge risks and succeeding where others weren't willing to try.

Especially with SpaceX. He's pushing his engineers hard to get some pretty cool stuff done, and hopefully humanity benefits from it in the long run.

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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Is it just me reading too much financial news or does "beats estimates" sound like it was better than estimates? Loss was 69 cents vs 53 cents expected. Revenues beat estimates, though.

they did beat estimates ie. they did better than expected. stock is up ±3% after market; all time high. go tsla go.

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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Is it just me reading too much financial news or does "beats estimates" sound like it was better than estimates? Loss was 69 cents vs 53 cents expected. Revenues beat estimates, though.

>The fourth-quarter loss, excluding some items, was narrower than the $1.14 a share average estimate Straight from the article.

So I was reading this from marketwatch:

"Adjusted loss of 69 cents a share, worse than expected."

"Analysts expect an adjusted fourth-quarter loss of 53 cents a share"

Now I don't know what to believe.

Edit: I guess it depends on who's doing the estimating. The linked article says "The fourth-quarter loss, excluding some items, was narrower than the $1.14 a share average estimate among analysts surveyed by Bloomberg."

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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post #10

It's fun to read Mark Spiegel's twitter feed. I've never seen someone so desperately try to force a theory. I wonder why some people want to see Tesla fail so badly.

Might have shorted Tesla

i think so ..I think it's hubris ..I stopped listening to most 'experts' long ago..

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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It seems the financial side of a company have to make a guess at position they expect to be in when they report to the shareholders. So long as they beat the estimates then everyone is happy. The guess does have to be with enough forward movement to show the company is worth investing into. It's all a bit of a tightrope to get it right enough the money stays in play so the company can continue doing what they want to do.

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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post #5

People get upset by the 'superhero' status of Elon Musk. Nerds everywhere worship the guy, buy his cars, watch his SpaceX launches. But honestly, let him have it, I say. He's earning it. He's taking huge risks and succeeding where others weren't willing to try.

Especially with SpaceX. He's pushing his engineers hard to get some pretty cool stuff done, and hopefully humanity benefits from it in the long run.

It's technology. Once it exists, it will continue existing. Every generation must use it wisely and ethically.

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The fourth-quarter loss, excluding some items, was narrower than the $1.14 a share average estimate Straight from the article.

So I was reading this from marketwatch: "Adjusted loss of 69 cents a share, worse than expected." "Analysts expect an adjusted fourth-quarter loss of 53 cents a share" Now I don't know what to believe. Edit: I guess it depends on who's doing the estimating. The linked article says "The fourth-quarter loss, excluding some items, was narrower than the $1.14 a share average estimate among analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.…

Could be companies estimate their earnings each year. And then analysts do their own estimates. guided vs consensus

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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post #5

People get upset by the 'superhero' status of Elon Musk. Nerds everywhere worship the guy, buy his cars, watch his SpaceX launches. But honestly, let him have it, I say. He's earning it. He's taking huge risks and succeeding where others weren't willing to try.

Especially with SpaceX. He's pushing his engineers hard to get some pretty cool stuff done, and hopefully humanity benefits from it in the long run.

Creating an entirely new industry I'd say. He's at a Henry Ford or Edison level.

Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

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People who lose money shorting Tesla are losing their shirts for the same reason as those who shorted Amazon: cash flow + growth matters more than profitability, PE ratios, or EPS. Tesla's car business is cash flow positive but the quarterly losses are due to infrastructure investments. This is how finance can be more subtle than meets the eye.

Tesla's car business is very profitable:

Tesla also reported an automotive gross margin excluding SBC and ZEV credit (non-GAAP), of 22.2% in the quarter, up from 19.7% a year ago, but down from 25.0% in Q3...

huge growth:

Looking at the future, Tesla said it expects to deliver 47,000 to 50,000 Model S and Model X vehicles combined in the first half of 2017, representing vehicle delivery growth of 61% to 71% compared with the same period last year.

reinvesting operating profits into investments:

The company also expects to invest between $2 billion and $2.5 billion in capex ahead of the start of Model 3 production and continues "to focus on capital efficiency while also investing in battery cell, pack and energy storage production at Gigafactory 1. It also forecast that both Model 3 and solar roof launches are on track for the second half of the year.

This company is firing (no pun intended) on all cylinders

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