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Just pre-ordered mine...:D (newegg)
Huh, I don't see them on Newegg yet.
Do a search for ryzen, they are there.
AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
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Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
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I'm a bit dubious. If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Why not 80% of the price of the comparable Intel part? Selling it at 50% or even less raises some heavy alarm bells for me.
> If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Because they get exploded in single-threaded performances, so they have to pit their 8-core parts against Intel's 4 cores. The 1700X will be competing against the $350 7700K more than the $1100 6900K (which incidentally is a Broadwell-E part not a Skylake part despite de 6 prefix)
The linked benchmarks are putting the $350 1700X about on par with the $1100 6900K when it comes to both single-threaded and multi-threaded performance. Both of those processors are 8-core/16-thread chips. Also the 1700K is a 95W TDP compared to the 6900K's 140W TDP.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a bit dubious. If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Why not 80% of the price of the comparable Intel part? Selling it at 50% or even less raises some heavy alarm bells for me.
> If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Because they get exploded in single-threaded performances, so they have to pit their 8-core parts against Intel's 4 cores. The 1700X will be competing against the $350 7700K more than the $1100 6900K (which incidentally is a Broadwell-E part not a Skylake part despite de 6 prefix)
> Because they get exploded in single-threaded performances, so they have to pit their 8-core parts against Intel's 4 cores.
I assume that they are getting blown out of the water on single core performance and hence picked up an i7-7700k. We'll see if I made the right choice on March 2nd when real benchmarks surface.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
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Unless I'm sorely mistaken, Intel's single-core performance was ways ahead of Bulldozer chips.
True, but the price is a huge differentiator. The primary market for processors is gaming where the bottleneck is generally your GPU and memory. As a software developer, the difference between the two is not noticeable IMO.
To me the delta in price hardly mattered when I looked for how long I kept these systems running.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
#55I can't think of a more spectacular comeback than AMD in the last year or so. They are positioned pretty well for the inevitable convergence of CPU and GPU. That CUDA crosscompiler was such a brilliant move.
It's already in the works. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_reveals_a...
CPU, GPU, HBM all on one package. That would be a game changer for building analytics databases. There's a bunch of GPU based databases out now but a lot of the benchmark numbers they give you rely on having the data cases in GPU RAM. Real world benchmarks that require moving data over PCIe are less generous.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
#56First (amateur) third-party benchmarks confirm a ~$350 Ryzen beats $1000 Intel processors in CPUMARK, 3DMark Fire Strike Physics, Cinebench: https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1706915-1-1.html AMD had said for years their Zen goal was a 40% IPC gain over their previous microarchitecture, but they ended up with a 52% gain: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143/amd-launch-ryzen-52-more... Today's launch event by AMD's CEO:…
I'm a bit dubious. If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Why not 80% of the price of the comparable Intel part? Selling it at 50% or even less raises some heavy alarm bells for me.
There are a few obvious possibilities:
- AMD have optimized for die size, at 44mm^2 vs Broadwell-E at 246mm^2. This will result in an order of magnitude better yields and margin improvements.
- Intel prices high in the >= 8-core space because: they can; there is no current competition; and the aforementioned yield/margin issue.
- The Intel parts have more advanced and expensive features aimed at professional markets; i.e. quad-channel memory controller, more PCIe lanes, and in newer architectures, integrated Thunderbolt controllers, to name a few.
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It would be nice. However, would they be able to still keep Thunderbolt?
The standard chipsets do have support for USB 3.1 Gen 2. But mixing in support for DisplayPort would require either a custom chipset (which Apple may be able to do but might not be as cheap), or wait until a Zen-based APU comes out.
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Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
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True, but the price is a huge differentiator. The primary market for processors is gaming where the bottleneck is generally your GPU and memory. As a software developer, the difference between the two is not noticeable IMO.
To me the delta in price hardly mattered when I looked for how long I kept these systems running.
It matters a lot when you are on a very tight budget. I can either get a Kaby Lake i3 for $119.99, or a FX-8320 for $129.99. It's really a no-brainer.
Another way to look at it: instead of putting an extra ~$100 on an i5, which has performance most people don't really take advantage of anyways, you could get a better graphics card.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
#59First (amateur) third-party benchmarks confirm a ~$350 Ryzen beats $1000 Intel processors in CPUMARK, 3DMark Fire Strike Physics, Cinebench: https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1706915-1-1.html AMD had said for years their Zen goal was a 40% IPC gain over their previous microarchitecture, but they ended up with a 52% gain: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143/amd-launch-ryzen-52-more... Today's launch event by AMD's CEO:…
I'm a bit dubious. If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Why not 80% of the price of the comparable Intel part? Selling it at 50% or even less raises some heavy alarm bells for me.
Intel relies more on price discrimination. On the Skylake wikipedia page, I count 30 desktop and 11 server SKUs.
So Intel's "-E" enthusiast line isn't really the optimal price point in terms of generating revenue via volume, it's just the high end of a sliding scale.
Re: AMD Ryzen price and release date revealed
#60First (amateur) third-party benchmarks confirm a ~$350 Ryzen beats $1000 Intel processors in CPUMARK, 3DMark Fire Strike Physics, Cinebench: https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1706915-1-1.html AMD had said for years their Zen goal was a 40% IPC gain over their previous microarchitecture, but they ended up with a 52% gain: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143/amd-launch-ryzen-52-more... Today's launch event by AMD's CEO:…
I'm a bit dubious. If they have such an amazing part why is it being sold for so cheap? Why not 80% of the price of the comparable Intel part? Selling it at 50% or even less raises some heavy alarm bells for me.
Expect Intel to do a huge price drop if the chip is competitive. In the end few people buy 500+$ chips so this is all just marketing.