Say goodbye to search analytics
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Say goodbye to search analytics
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Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#2tl;dr: web analytics company starts claiming bullshit about privacy in search engines
Also, in other news: some people start claiming bullshit about issues than are better for other people but bad for them.
ps. I did upvote this post in HN just for the sake of discussion and comments, but I don't like the tone of the original poster with his 'HN hipsters' and 'BS' all around.
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#3Yes, this is a pain in the butt for webmasters, and yes, if Google arranged for only Google Analytics to display these search terms, it'd be an anticompetitive abuse of market power. But any webmaster's power ends at the limits of their site.
Really don't like people using encrypted search and not passing along search terms? Don't serve them the content they were looking for - explain the situation to them instead. Or pursue a milder approach where the content is displayed alongside a suggestion that they use an unencrypted search engine. That's about all the recourse you've legitimately got.
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#4tl;dr: web analytics company starts claiming bullshit about privacy in search engines Also, in other news: some people start claiming bullshit about issues than are better for other people but bad for them. ps. I did upvote this post in HN just for the sake of discussion and comments, but I don't like the tone of the original poster with his 'HN hipsters' and 'BS' all around.
IMHO his argument seems valid. My site's Google Analytics tells me what were the search terms and which search engine sent me the traffic. Why not share that with the web masters if that can help them create better content or tweak their SEO?
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#5If Google Adsense still has access to this data to serve more relevant ads on the destination site and other ad providers don't then it is very anti-competitive.
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#6Yes, this is a pain in the butt for webmasters, and yes, if Google arranged for only Google Analytics to display these search terms, it'd be an anticompetitive abuse of market power. But any webmaster's power ends at the limits of their site. Really don't like people using encrypted search and not passing along search terms? Don't serve them the content they were looking for - explain the situation to them instead. O…
> But any webmaster's power ends at the limits of their site.
I guess that's it. User's rights are above webmaster's right. If you don't like them you can start disallowing search engines in your robots.txt or blocking users by referrer.
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#7tl;dr: web analytics company starts claiming bullshit about privacy in search engines Also, in other news: some people start claiming bullshit about issues than are better for other people but bad for them. ps. I did upvote this post in HN just for the sake of discussion and comments, but I don't like the tone of the original poster with his 'HN hipsters' and 'BS' all around.
Let's not forget we, the webmasters, create the content for Google to serve as search results...
The least they can do is help us out!
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#8tl;dr: web analytics company starts claiming bullshit about privacy in search engines Also, in other news: some people start claiming bullshit about issues than are better for other people but bad for them. ps. I did upvote this post in HN just for the sake of discussion and comments, but I don't like the tone of the original poster with his 'HN hipsters' and 'BS' all around.
IMHO his argument seems valid. My site's Google Analytics tells me what were the search terms and which search engine sent me the traffic. Why not share that with the web masters if that can help them create better content or tweak their SEO?
I did not say it wasn't valid I said i didn't like the tone. Compare the post with something like:
"Look, search analytics are important to the webmasters because X, Y & Z. If search engines start to implement this option we could do A, B & C, but that will make the site owner job more difficult because knowing where your visitors come its huge and too important."
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMHO his argument seems valid. My site's Google Analytics tells me what were the search terms and which search engine sent me the traffic. Why not share that with the web masters if that can help them create better content or tweak their SEO?
I did not say it wasn't valid I said i didn't like the tone. Compare the post with something like: "Look, search analytics are important to the webmasters because X, Y & Z. If search engines start to implement this option we could do A, B & C, but that will make the site owner job more difficult because knowing where your visitors come its huge and too important."
My first line before I submitted the comment was "Barring the tone and 'HN hipsters' terms...IMHO.." but I deleted that in the last moment thinking it wasn't adding any value. But looks like I should have retained it :)
Re: Say goodbye to search analytics
#10Yes, this is a pain in the butt for webmasters, and yes, if Google arranged for only Google Analytics to display these search terms, it'd be an anticompetitive abuse of market power. But any webmaster's power ends at the limits of their site. Really don't like people using encrypted search and not passing along search terms? Don't serve them the content they were looking for - explain the situation to them instead. O…
> But any webmaster's power ends at the limits of their site. I guess that's it. User's rights are above webmaster's right. If you don't like them you can start disallowing search engines in your robots.txt or blocking users by referrer.
But search engines shouldn't block referrer by default. Majority of users don't care about telling web masters what they were searching for. So search engines should only let users who do care about privacy to block referrer, block it by default is a poor choice (unless you are DDG and privacy is your differentiator)