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Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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How is the file system performance going with this? The latest release version runs Rails worse than shared folders on VMWare which is slow in bad way. Running MySQL on top of it might "work" but is it fast?

IO perf isn't where we want it to be yet, but we've some improvements coming in Creators Update and more planned for future releases.

Is it possible to access network drives yet? If not, is this something that's being worked on? Thanks!

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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Why wouldn't getting as close to 100% compatibility as possible be the aim? WSL is currently beta. The installation documentation has a big warning at the top that functionality is currently incomplete.

All I can say is that the first two things I tried on the Windows Linux Subsystem didn't work, mainly running Elixir and Debootstrap. It's okay that they aren't (yet?) supported, but something that looks & smells like Ubuntu, yet isn't, doesn't inspire confidence that it can be trusted to act like Ubuntu. An alternative approach would be to call it Winbuntu, Winux, or simply Ubuntu for . Then aggressively maintain a…

> All I can say is that the first two things I tried on the Windows Linux Subsystem didn't work, mainly running Elixir and Debootstrap. It's okay that they aren't (yet?) supported, but something that looks & smells like Ubuntu, yet isn't, doesn't inspire confidence that it can be trusted to act like Ubuntu.

You need to handle this anyways, as it's unlikely that your target deploy platform will always be ubuntu. In any case, you can just use docker like most OSX folks do now.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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Why wouldn't getting as close to 100% compatibility as possible be the aim? WSL is currently beta. The installation documentation has a big warning at the top that functionality is currently incomplete.

All I can say is that the first two things I tried on the Windows Linux Subsystem didn't work, mainly running Elixir and Debootstrap. It's okay that they aren't (yet?) supported, but something that looks & smells like Ubuntu, yet isn't, doesn't inspire confidence that it can be trusted to act like Ubuntu. An alternative approach would be to call it Winbuntu, Winux, or simply Ubuntu for . Then aggressively maintain a…

I don't think they can open source WSL in any useful capacity because it's signed as part of the kernel itself - afaict this is also why an update to WSL is an update to the Windows build itself.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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This is coming to Windows stable in April: - vt sequences fixed (so stuff like colored output, midnight commander, etc work and the terminal doesn't screw up) - Elixir and Go work - Also Postgres and MySQL - You can launch Windows apps from bash. - inotify works - Visual Studio can compile with GNU/Linux C/C++ tools, gdb, linker etc There's some recent fast ring info on: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2…

Sorry for being dense but how is this better than running seamless window Linux under vmware? With that I can also access shared files, etc.

Because it's a fraction of the resource cost, and shares resources better with the host system as well?

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Agree 1000%! Was waiting for a comment like yours to help drive the case for some updates to Notepad to support NIX file endings, etc. ;) Anyone running Win10 who wants to see Notepad support NIX file endings, PLEASE submit feedback via the feedback app - that way Notepad's owners get to see your pleas ;)

what feedback app?

I think it's available since the most recent stable Windows update - there's an app literally called "Feedback" you can use to report and upvote issues.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux is a band-aid solution for a fundamental problem for Microsoft: Linux tooling and kernel are IT industry standards.

People have been developing on OS X outside a VM for a while now, and OS X is most definitely not linux. If they can get WSL to be as linuxy as OS X (and arguably it's already close), Windows will be as good a dev platform for linux development as OS X. But they really need to fix notepad so it supports unix style line endings. That part of the demo was a bit embarrassing.

Can't wait to run docker in this. Will save me countless development hours.

I was already a fan of colinux back then but this has te potential of being infinitely better.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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This is coming to Windows stable in April: - vt sequences fixed (so stuff like colored output, midnight commander, etc work and the terminal doesn't screw up) - Elixir and Go work - Also Postgres and MySQL - You can launch Windows apps from bash. - inotify works - Visual Studio can compile with GNU/Linux C/C++ tools, gdb, linker etc There's some recent fast ring info on: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2…

It isn't clear how much people can appreciate this sort of thing without context. Back in the mid 2000's I was at a very high level Microsoft Developer event and got to ask about waning support for command line tools. People of a certain age remembered well the power and simplicity of using DOS and its "console" to effectively develop code and debug, even without typing 'win' to get into "GUI mode". But at this event…

It's funny you mention switching from Windows to MacOS for the command line tools. I booted up a pre-NeXT Mac (an iBook with OS9) the other day, and was blown away to learn that there is no terminal at all! How quickly things changed after that.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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It isn't clear how much people can appreciate this sort of thing without context. Back in the mid 2000's I was at a very high level Microsoft Developer event and got to ask about waning support for command line tools. People of a certain age remembered well the power and simplicity of using DOS and its "console" to effectively develop code and debug, even without typing 'win' to get into "GUI mode". But at this event…

It's funny you mention switching from Windows to MacOS for the command line tools. I booted up a pre-NeXT Mac (an iBook with OS9) the other day, and was blown away to learn that there is no terminal at all! How quickly things changed after that.

Absolutely. My background was that I was Sun for years and on a "workstation" the most common window open for a software developer was an xterm not some IDE. That said, for people who "grew up" knowing nothing but visual studio and delphi, telling them that everything they are trying to do is easily done in the command line doesn't resonate.

Re: Bash and Windows Subsystem for Linux Demo [video]

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It isn't clear how much people can appreciate this sort of thing without context. Back in the mid 2000's I was at a very high level Microsoft Developer event and got to ask about waning support for command line tools. People of a certain age remembered well the power and simplicity of using DOS and its "console" to effectively develop code and debug, even without typing 'win' to get into "GUI mode". But at this event…

It's funny you mention switching from Windows to MacOS for the command line tools. I booted up a pre-NeXT Mac (an iBook with OS9) the other day, and was blown away to learn that there is no terminal at all! How quickly things changed after that.

ISTR from my days when I was a primary school kid playing around with my grandmother's Mac running System 7 that there were some (fairly lame) third party tools that attempted to implement a DOS-style CLI.
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