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Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Chris - great to hear your story. I'm the CEO of Pilot, we service a few hundred buildings in New York City. While the logistics and techniques may differ, building an ISP is, well, building an ISP. Would be great to talk shop sometime.

I've been hearding that Pilot is starting to do buildings in Center City Philadelphia. Good to see you on HN, that certainly raises your cred.

My CEO would like to chat with you guys soon.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Chris, sounds like your doing an awesome job! Perhaps, you could let the audience of hacker news know what some of your biggest challenges are. It may spark some ideas for start ups that could help solve those problems =)

Based on your article, it sounds like there's a lot of initial capital investment in the beginning.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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I feel I need to write the inverse article "Stopping an Internet Service Provider", since I just shut down mine. Although this stuff can be great fun, you have to stop and ask yourself why the market is "under served" and why there isn't already some dude supplying these customers, driving around the city in his Lexus and waxing his new boat on the weekends. The unfortunate truth is that there just isn't that great a…

>A small new player can't compete in either of those markets. We're Wifidabba.com and we're in the current batch of YC. We provide low-cost internet in India at tea-stalls and bakeries. Consumers buy tokens and get access to wifi. In effect, we take a broadband connection and slice it into tiny pieces and sell that as wifi. I guess in some ways we're an ISP, the government certainly thinks so, we've had to apply for…

Your business plan is a bit different though, you charge on data.

While you are apparently cheap you'll still make more money per GB than an isp that tries to compete on the "Unlimited" plans.

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>A small new player can't compete in either of those markets. We're Wifidabba.com and we're in the current batch of YC. We provide low-cost internet in India at tea-stalls and bakeries. Consumers buy tokens and get access to wifi. In effect, we take a broadband connection and slice it into tiny pieces and sell that as wifi. I guess in some ways we're an ISP, the government certainly thinks so, we've had to apply for…

Your business plan is a bit different though, you charge on data. While you are apparently cheap you'll still make more money per GB than an isp that tries to compete on the "Unlimited" plans.

Bingo :)

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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>A small new player can't compete in either of those markets. We're Wifidabba.com and we're in the current batch of YC. We provide low-cost internet in India at tea-stalls and bakeries. Consumers buy tokens and get access to wifi. In effect, we take a broadband connection and slice it into tiny pieces and sell that as wifi. I guess in some ways we're an ISP, the government certainly thinks so, we've had to apply for…

Hmm, went through your website and i like your idea. What do you use for backhaul? chaiwalas and paanwalas aren't going to have network access in form of fiber or even cable on the street so i guess 4G hotspot? Also, Is there a way people can pay the stall owner some money and get a token from him? People here generally dont prefer online transactions.

We use the local isp and get a fibre line to the chai wallah. We help do the kyc, installation and whatever else is necessary.

Tokens are physical and work exactly the way you describe. Pay cash, get wifi.

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> I still work full-time as a Systems Engineer I hope then that you're not the only person working at NEPA Fiber. How many employees do you have?

He probably is running it all himself, it's only a 50 customer business. Combined with a day job that allows him to take the occasional personal call, it's very doable. If you look on the DSLReports Wireless ISP forum, most of the smaller WISPs are doing exactly this, and eventually they may bring a person on to answer the phone, and an installer, but until you get a bit over 200 subs you can do this.

I guess so, just seemed a bit odd at face value. All this WISP stuff seems really interesting to me. I don't think I have what it takes to start one myself, but I wish I could find someone starting out in the business who needs a partner.

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It has code highlighting? This is news to me.

discord has become so much more than a gaming comms platform now. And rightfully so. It is an amazing platform.

Definitely, I use it for most of my comms. (Except for Telegram which I use for general messaging)

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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You can get provider-aggretable (PA) IP addresses from your ISP, but they can only be used with that ISP. You can also get provider-independent (PI) addresses, which you can use and move between ISPs with BGP. If they're using Zayo and Level 3 at the same time, you would need PI-IPs that you can move to the other ISP when one ISP is down. Or, another option is that they're doing CGNAT on all of their client traffic.

> You can get provider-aggretable (PA) IP addresses from your ISP, but they can only be used with that ISP. Sorry, this is incorrect -- I'm a network engineer and I've been doing exactly this for years. I advertise "Level3 IPs" to other ISPs/peers, I advertise "non-Level3 IPs" to Level3, hell, I even "re-advertise" some of my customers' PI addresses (that they advertise to me) up to Level3. Actually, I can advertise…

Sure, there's no technical issue since a prefix is a prefix is a prefix. It's all just bits. If you can convince your upstream/peers to accept a route, there's nobody to stop you. I haven't run an ISP, so maybe I haven't had to push hard enough, but my transit providers' willingness to accept someone else's PA block has been nil.
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