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Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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It's a mesh built on low cost custom hardware. Each node is also super powerful with >128gb storage and some nice computation power, with a GPU to boot :) We're looking to be more than just an ISP in the long run.

What do you need the GPU for? The box does not appear to have a display.

A distributed machine-learning network for some whatever reason :)

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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It's a mesh built on low cost custom hardware. Each node is also super powerful with >128gb storage and some nice computation power, with a GPU to boot :) We're looking to be more than just an ISP in the long run.

What do you need the GPU for? The box does not appear to have a display.

If you buy a cheap ARM SoC, there's a decent chance that you get a GPU "for free" (in the sense that chips without a GPU turn out to be more expensive).

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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That's in the works.

You don't have to be a CLEC to access right of way, including ducts and poles. It's enough to be a BIAS (Broadband Interner Access Provider), which you already are.

Becoming a CLEC does classify you as a "utility" though, which has other benefits.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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I've been contemplating setting up a small [NW]ISP for our neighborhood (rural, wooded, private roads) but LOS issues limit my wireless options. One thought was to install a few airfibers and "demux" them with G.fast to each CPE via its service drop interconnect in the pedestal. This has the benefit of not having to trench the last 100 yards from the street to the residence. BUT I can find scant information on what authority one needs to do so. Do I need to be a CLEC/BIAS? Or is the local cable plant completely hands-off? Any pointers would be immensely appreciated (and thanks, Chris, for a great article. I look forward to reading more!)

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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I've been contemplating setting up a small [NW]ISP for our neighborhood (rural, wooded, private roads) but LOS issues limit my wireless options. One thought was to install a few airfibers and "demux" them with G.fast to each CPE via its service drop interconnect in the pedestal. This has the benefit of not having to trench the last 100 yards from the street to the residence. BUT I can find scant information on what a…

The Brand X decision killed local loop unbundling in the US. So unless you own the copper plant this is a no-go. If you are outside the US, even then there are problems as access to subloops can be hard to get.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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The biggest problem is: where is the money going to come from? Even if you guarantee a rate of return, somebody still needs to finance the buildout. Second issue is, how will infrastructure that is installed, but not used be paid for? Take rate is rarely 100%, so who is going to pay for that part and how?

If you can guarantee a rate of return, getting money from any bank sounds easy. And if take rate is 60%, then those that take the offer have to pay 100%/60%=166% of what they would have payed with a 100% take rate. Of course that requires estimating the take rate, but that's an everyday buisiness problem.

> If you can guarantee a rate of return, getting money from any bank sounds easy.

Sadly this isn't true. Banks lend you money if you have collateral.

> And if take rate is 60%, then those that take the offer have to pay 100%/60%=166% of what they would have payed with a 100% take rate.

That only works if the customers are willing to pay 166%. The shit really hits the fan if you get the take rate wrong and your costs exceed what your customers have agreed to pay.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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You don't have to be a CLEC to access right of way, including ducts and poles. It's enough to be a BIAS (Broadband Interner Access Provider), which you already are.

Becoming a CLEC does classify you as a "utility" though, which has other benefits.

Which benefits do you need that a CLEC has but a BIAS does not?

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Do your customers tolerate all that? As in, can you ignore a good chunk of it because Internet issues are more acceptable in Africa? Or did you have to prevent, detect, and/or mitigate all of it because they expect nearly-perfect Internet in your area?

By way of answering, let me recount a short story for you. It takes place during the very first time I visited Kampala (the capital of Uganda). It was about 3 years before I had started working in the ISP/telecom space in Africa. This particular trip was soccer-specific (I was working on the team that delivered one of the big trans-national African tournaments' games on television), thus the non-ISP nature of it. We…

I also work in tech in Africa (2nd largest population on the continent if that's any indication) and it is certainly challenging.

Love to chat/commiserate more about your experiences

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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Thanks for this article. I have been considering the feasibility of starting a WISP here in West Texas, so it's cool to see the beggining stages from the inside perspective. I whish I knew more about the laws on common access to equipment/lines. For example, the only cable provider locally is Suddenlink, AT&T Uverse is still on copper phone lines, and there is only one local ISP bringing fiber to residential customer…

I wonder when point-to-point radio network could be more cost effective solution than fiber network in someone else’s ground or trench. I assume that point-to-point radio has more expensive equipment, is that true? Probably it all depends on a scale. Curious how would curves look like - maybe population density on x and approximated cost of infrastructure on y.

Re: Starting an Internet Service Provider

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That sounds like a great idea. I've actually debated doing this before, but I wasn't sure if the service disruption was worth it considering it happens maybe once every other month and sporadically at that.

I did a bunch of ISP builds in my younger days. It is worth while to see if you can horse trade some internet for an electrician with tower experience (or a real RF engineer) to help you. As other commenters have suggested, check your ground potential and make corrections as necessary.

Unless I open up the device, there's nothing to attach ground wire to. The device is constructed primarily of plastic. Grounding the dish wouldn't do anything, would it?
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