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Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by captainlego »

njharman wrote: post #203
jefe_ wrote: post #177

Really shows the size and capability of U.S.A.F. when they have a plane and team they can casually deploy to what appears to be a highly specific situation. The article says the aircraft is specifically designed to use atmospheric data to determine cause and nature of nuclear incidents. Imagining the manpower and testing and everything that goes into designing and implementing a system like this, and then multiplying…

Considering nuclear warfare has been there primary mission for 60+ years, I'm not impressed.

And the insane size of our military's budget...

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Post by hackuser »

shard972 wrote: post #237
hackuser wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you write an entire article like that without anyone asking "hey so, how is this a risk?". We don't know what they did in the course of writing the article or how the article ended up as it is. Maybe they did ask that, and the person they asked views the situation differently than you do; maybe they got conflicting answers and chose what was most convincing. Maybe they wrote about it and the editor cut it. (…

Well I think the answers to that can be found by looking at the background of the people. It's hard for me to go around telling people who they are since it can be subjective but let's just say I don't really have a lot of faith in my generation at the moment (20-30 year olds).

It's not hyperbole to say that's an impossible leap of speculation: You know what someone's actions were in a particular situation based solely on their age?

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

omnius19 wrote: post #227
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Democracy is in trouble when people lose faith in the media and independent journalism is suppressed To what extent is reporting skewed/slanted in the direction of the owners interests? Each media outlet still has an owner, hasn't it?

Your question is a red herring. Of course the owners of news organizations have biases, as do the reporters, editors, readers, and everyone else in society. Sometimes the bias is political. Sometimes it is sensationalism. Sometimes the writer doesn't like the color blue. Every reputable news organization follows the journalistic code of ethics that puts institutional barriers in the way to counteract bias. Reputable…

> Every reputable news organization follows the journalistic code of ethics that puts institutional barriers in the way to counteract bias.

What about editorial policy: who decides what item is taking the front page and what is published on page 11? Apparently that also has some importance. Has every journalist the opportunity to embark onto several months of research without editorial oversight? I am not sure about that.

> Instead of labelling all news media as generically biased and therefore not to be trusted,

Red herring, labeling: I haven't labeled anything, why is my question received in such a hostile way?

> It is the news media's job to TRY to be as unbiased as possible. It is the news reader's job to TRY and be as informed as possible by reading varied news from different sources.

I can agree with that. Can we agree that journalistic output cannot be trusted blindly?

> And if you do not agree with what I have said here, I have a follow up question for you... if the current news organizations are so terrible and inherently biased, what alternative would you propose

I think that journalism is currently searching for ways to adjust to the realities of the net: on the one hand established journalists don't quite like the loss of authority and fact checking that does occur, on the other hand established journalists have some codes of conduct that are lacking in the online world. I hope the net result will be more transparency and a higher quality of writing, and a more informed public: the current state of the art is far from an ideal state. However i think that nobody should be exempt from critical questions.

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Post by lexsys »

Iodine-131 is used in cancer treatment so there may be a leak from pharmaceutical company. [0]

The similar case was observed in 2011 when the some I-131 isotopes leaked from the laboratory in Budapest. [1]

[0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nobody-is-sure-wh...

[1]: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....

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Post by stcredzero »

omnius19 wrote: post #232
stcredzero wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracy is in trouble when people lose faith in the media and independent journalism is suppressed. Democracy is in trouble. Many people have lost faith in the media. Independent journalism is suppressed. (Though not completely in all the above counts.)

You may be right, but if so, that is quite a self-defeating and unproductive stance to take. If I accidentally start a fire on my stove, I don't say "screw it" and let my whole house burn down. I pull out a fire extinguisher and try to put it out.

By the same token, you don't set a fire to your stove and say, "Nope, everything's fine!"

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Post by EdHominem »

xupybd wrote: post #206
mfukar wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite what anyone will claim, good journalism still exists. I am not going to discuss obviously false generalisations.

Good journalism still exists, yes I couldn't agree more. But I don't think it's rewarded as much as poor journalism. This is the problem.

I think that's precisely the trump issue... "Reality" TV costs peanuts and gets more views, even if everything in it is staged.

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Post by EdHominem »

kalleboo wrote: post #103
tomxor wrote: post #5

Watchout, this site is a disgrace... maxes out my CPU, it's just text for fuck sake what are they doing bitcoin mining in javascript?

CPU drops to nothing with an ad blocker active...

Working in a cloud company all of us are pretty conscious of the cycles we consume in our architecture and the resources we consume on our client's machines. If we accidentally ran our debug code fleet-wide I'm sure we'd single-handedly bring more than a few coal peaker-plants online to handle the surge.

But our motivation is our customer's happiness and our pocketbook. For an advertiser you aren't the customer, you're the cattle.

So your adblocker is actually saving the world. One drop of oil at a time.

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Post by reality_czech »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

Wow. Just wow.

You think that the media is doing an "excellent job" because they're suppressing news about a possible nuclear incident?

And the rest of the post is nitpicks about the grammar of the article? And falsely claiming that there was only one WC-135 built (there were 10 according to wikipedia.)

I hope your post was a joke. If so, it was in pretty poor taste.

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