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Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by earcar »

kscaldef wrote: post #120
earcar wrote: post #109

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You don't even have to grab MAMP or Xcode, since Apache, PHP, Ruby, Python, emacs and vim come preinstalled with OS X. So you just have to get the database server. Until you have to compile something.

I don't see the difficulty with compiling. Just get out your install disk, open up the optional installs, install XCode. You now have all the standard Unix developer tools (in addition to the XCode app, which you don't have to use).

I agree, I don't see it either. The whole point of my previous comment was to show that OS X ships with so many things that you don't have to install anything to start programming in PHP, Python or Ruby. "Until you have to compile something" refers to the fact that this claim doesn't hold anymore when you have to compile, for example, a native extension to those languages.

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by jrockway »

tptacek wrote: post #127
jrockway wrote: post #106

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Are you sure about that? I thought Sprint was only a partial investor and lessee. Clear 4G is a lot more expensive than Sprint 4G, so it would be strange if they had a subsidary that offered worse service for more money. (I went with Sprint 4G over Clear 4G because Sprint 4G is free with a 3G data plan. 4G coverage can be spotty, but 3G coverage is exceptional. So I am never without data. Now if only I left my house…

We are really happy with Clear. I use it less than everyone else, but we've got people all around Chicagoland using it. What don't you like about it, besides the price?

Clear bugs me because of their pricing; they charge less for "home" than for "mobile"? WTF?

The main reason I went with Sprint is because the cost is almost the same as Clear, but I also get 3G access. I don't use that much in Chicago, but it's great when traveling; Sprint's 3G network is pretty comprehensive. It's really relaxing to have Internet access anywhere. For me, anyway :)

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by Retric »

sophacles wrote: post #121
Retric wrote: post #105

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I think you over estimate the number of types of harware each platform had to deal with. PS: Orders of magnitude 3 = 1,000, 4 = 10,000, 5 = 100,000. Now if you ment 3-5x the number of platforms but 1000x is way to high.

That depends on how platform gets defined. At the OS layer, a reasonable argument could be made for (cpu, northbridge, southbridge). Of course the whole northbridge thing can actually not include usb support, or disk io support, which can then throw more multipliers in there based on chip... Sure there are standards to describe hardware interactions, but any reasonably experience sysadmin will tell you horror stories…

Drivers sit outside the OS and the BIOS get you to the point where you can install drivers so at the OS level it's really just a question of # of BIOS's per instruction set * number of CPU cores.

PS: Consider when you need to install a RAID driver before installing the OS.

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by ynniv »

kenjackson wrote: post #123
ynniv wrote: post #110

Why is Lyons so bitter? His arguments revolve around Android having more "features" and otherwise being an iPhone knockoff. The features debate is old and boring - maybe he cares, but I don't and I suspect that most iPhone buyers don't either. And as developers, why should we be excited at a knockoff? Do we need to punish Apple for being successful? Unlike Microsoft, Apple has not tried to force people to run its OS.…

How can the features debate be old and boring when Froyo was just officially unveiled yesterday? It's a very relevant debate. And lets not give Apple too much credit. While the iPhone was best of breed it wasn't nearly the innovation that the GUI was or even WSIWYG word processing. It really felt like an evolution of the smart phone. A very well engineered product, but not the revolution that a lot of people seem thi…

How can the features debate be old and boring when Froyo was just officially unveiled yesterday? It's a very relevant debate.

There's always something new... how does that make the discussion of "features" versus "execution" debate change?

A very well engineered product, but not the revolution that a lot of people seem think it was.

Precisely. The iPhone has been successful because they only included the good features. Competitors always talk about new features, or fewer dollars. To the average consumer, neither of those are as important as execution. Google will only make a better phone when they make a better phone.

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by jarek »

joubert wrote: post #128
theBobMcCormick wrote: post #75

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Part of the beauty of Android is that you're not stuck using the music play that comes with your phone. There are many, many music players to choose from in the Android Market. I'm currently fond of MixZing ( http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.mixzing.basic ), but Cubed ( http://www.appbrain.com/app/org.abrantix.rockon.rockonnggl ) seems to be rising rapidly in popularity. There's even btunes ( http://www.appbrain.com/a…

With what do all these apps sync with on your laptop?

Doubletwist?

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by jarek »

joubert wrote: post #137
jarek wrote: post #136

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Doubletwist?

I mean, what is the music software you can use on the desktop, given the list of phone music players presented?

Any music software you would like? Including whatever you are using right now?

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by lukifer »

jrockway wrote: post #130
redrobot5050 wrote: post #101

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>This is an enormous responsibility that Apple has never had to deal with -- there's a difference of at least 3 if not 4-5 orders of magnitude in the number of different types of hardware platforms that each company had to deal with. Apple is supporting two gens of hardware. The iPhone OS will support the iPhone 3GS, the latest iPod Touch, the next-gen iPhone (as of now, unreleased) and the iPad. Android has 19+ phon…

Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids. And according to Jobs, the jailbroken iPhone even includes free room and board for a few years.

Can you back this up? I've never seen anything beyond voiding warranties.

Re: Fake Steve Jobs: Why I'm Switching to Android

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Post by lukifer »

stanleydrew wrote: post #108
lukifer wrote: post #78

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This is a good point. At the same time, the AT&T exclusivity was a Faustian bargain to get their foot in the door, and is destined to die once the initial contract expires.

When does the original contract expire? Couldn't Apple buy its way out of the contract if it wanted to?

The contract expires after 3 or 5 years, depending on who you talk to. Most of the details are a carefully guarded secret, AFAIK.
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