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If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

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Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

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Pay more taxes and strengthen public schools. Push public school education as John Dewey intended, for the betterment of civic society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey#On_education_and_te... """ According to Dewey, the emphasis is placed on producing these attributes in children for use in their contemporary life because it is “impossible to foretell definitely just what civilization will be twenty years from now” (Dewey, MPC, 2010, p. 25). However, although Dewey is steadfast in his beliefs that education serves an immediate purpose (Dewey, DRT, 2010; Dewey, MPC, 2010; Dewey, TTP, 2010), he is not ignorant of the impact imparting these qualities of intelligence, skill and character on young children in their present life will have on the future society. While addressing the state of educative and economic affairs during a 1935 radio broadcast, Dewey linked the ensuing economic depression to a “lack of sufficient production of intelligence, skill and character” (Dewey, TAP, 2010, p. 242) of the nation’s workforce. As Dewey notes, there is a lack of these goods in the present society and teachers have a responsibility to create them in their students, who, we can assume, will grow into the adults who will ultimately go on to participate in whatever industrial or economical civilization awaits them. According to Dewey, the profession of the classroom teacher is to produce the intelligence, skill and character within each student so that the democratic community is composed of citizens who can think, do and act intelligently and morally. """

We have many people that were taught to trust the mainstream news organizations. Twenty years ago no one would have thought of blogs, news summary sites, gossip sites. We have a large proportion of society that never used library index cards, book glossaries, or used more than one source to study anything. They take any news given as true because it derives from some source of authority.

A child's education should not be focused on making money in the future. It's to create individuals that can function in a democratic society.

Yes you can have links and rate journalists but that won't solve the problem. I can legally change my name to Tom Brokaw and then what would you do... The issue has a striking correspondence to the difficulty of using the OpenPGP Public Key Infrastructure... Sure you can sign keys of journalists and have them sign their articles but it does not mean what they wrote is true. What if their editor took their key/password and published in their name? Or if upon expiration of key they just make another key using some journalist's name? You really want readers checking key fingerprints?

Maybe you can present the various sources of information and try to show links to research notes and such but I never see that provided on any news sources. Oh and what about anonymous insider tips... I see that often in the NYTimes... Why would your source of Truth in the times "Trump" my source of truth...?

Jay Rosen http://pressthink.org/ has struggled with this as well. I think he is for journalists just doing their jobs. He had an interesting discussion on the Bill Moyers show you should watch.

http://pressthink.org/board/

Journalists can only do so much. People need to take responsibility as well. In the 1990s would you take someone seriously that said "Hillary Clinton adopts an extraterrestrial"? http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/04/weekly-world-news-c... The articles might not be so outlandish now but give enough doubt to the mainstream coverage to confuse most people.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#22
Rate the writer not the publisher. Get your users interested in the writings of individuals instead of who they write for. News providing companies are like any other, some workers are lazy and others actually really care.

If Bob is posting fake news block him instead of blocking company XYZ because Cindy who also works for XYZ actually puts out good articles.

Be careful of straying into defamation territory. Don't name and shame. For lack of a better term shadow ban the writer.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#23

Rate the writer not the publisher. Get your users interested in the writings of individuals instead of who they write for. News providing companies are like any other, some workers are lazy and others actually really care. If Bob is posting fake news block him instead of blocking company XYZ because Cindy who also works for XYZ actually puts out good articles. Be careful of straying into defamation territory. Don't n…

Also I would look at how Wikipedia handles news. Not many people are probably aware of it but they do post current news on the front of the site. It's slower to come out then traditional news but it is a good source because of how well they go about citing sources.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

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Rate the writer not the publisher. Get your users interested in the writings of individuals instead of who they write for. News providing companies are like any other, some workers are lazy and others actually really care. If Bob is posting fake news block him instead of blocking company XYZ because Cindy who also works for XYZ actually puts out good articles. Be careful of straying into defamation territory. Don't n…

I agree that keeping track of writers is important. I currently don't have an easy way to do that. Anyone aware of a source that rates journalists in a centralized manner?

I think it is important to keep in mind the publisher, as they do have a responsibility for choosing the articles and journalists they publish. If it becomes clear that a publisher has a tendency to publish low quality (for various measures of quality), I think it does make sense to take that into account for anything else the publisher may publish.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#25

You can't solve it anymore than you can have 100% "objective" news. People need to be free to read all viewpoints and come up with their own opinions. Most of the time, news is called "fake" because it says things which, in the context of our preconceived values, leads to contradictions or absurdities. Viewed from a different value system, the same facts can have totally different meanings and consequences. Other tim…

I agree. You need to be able to differentiate between 'types' of fake news. It means different things to different people. Three perspectives I can think of at the top of my head, but it's a sliding scale:

1. Flatout lies with no factual basis (Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump is a lizard person from Mars)

2. Mis-truths of accepted facts, or mis-representation of statistics (climate change)

3. Opinions that you don't agree with (ACA is good/bad, or The Media is good/bad)

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#27
I don't think this is something which can be solved by some "killer algorithm".

It seems that this whole fake-news thing is largely because of hacker news-ey type people wanting to use algorithms to make everything better and introducing them into as many aspects of our lives as they can.

Maybe then the solution isn't more algorithms to fix what the existing algorithms are doing wrong but changing the culture of news sources to encourage more stringent journalistic standards? This would require a lot of hard work amongst many people in influential position but most problems are not solved by coming up with the right code.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#28

You can't solve it anymore than you can have 100% "objective" news. People need to be free to read all viewpoints and come up with their own opinions. Most of the time, news is called "fake" because it says things which, in the context of our preconceived values, leads to contradictions or absurdities. Viewed from a different value system, the same facts can have totally different meanings and consequences. Other tim…

I agree. You need to be able to differentiate between 'types' of fake news. It means different things to different people. Three perspectives I can think of at the top of my head, but it's a sliding scale: 1. Flatout lies with no factual basis (Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump is a lizard person from Mars) 2. Mis-truths of accepted facts, or mis-representation of statistics (climate change) 3. Opinions that you don't agr…

We are already very good at detecting and routing around #1.

The problem is people use #2 and #3 to build up ideologies in the same way that advertisers build up brands.

Take for example the wage gap between genders.

There is a moderate wage gap (20-30%) if you look at unadjusted figures.

Fringe feminists try and use this stat to build a general sense of unease with their followers.

This primes the reader for a few anecdotes of women being unfairly passed over for promotion and the reader walks away thinking there is a widespread issue of women being treated poorly in the workplace.

White nationalists do the same thing. It is a fact that African Americans make up a disproportionate amount of murderers by race.

White nationalists will then use a few anecdotes of African Americans killing innocent white families and the reader walks away with a negative impression of African Americans.

And now see what I've just done with my comment: I've linked white nationalists and feminists.

By placing these two examples together I am connecting them for the reader and subtly discrediting these feminists.

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#29
Use a very limited version of the english language. Something like the one used in sending Telegrams in old days. Also, use same size fonts for all the news.

Also, put the details of the news behind a NLP software and let the users ask it more details about a certain news and let it answer then in one or two words...

Re: If you were asked to solve the 'fake news' problem, how would you solve it?

#30
post #4

Applaud your effort. The Comment from dimodi9 does make sense. I would think long and hard about the incentive structure. What do you think of initiatives like Steem? The Problem of using the crowd to annotate the news is a secondary solution is good but having a source of truth is the final solution

The route of community building is interesting and I can see many people following that. If you see the latest development at Biz Stone's Jelly, their vision is to make a trust score on users and build credibility. The challenge is how quick a community can respond. Fake news is growing like the snowball effect the more it spread on the social media the more it becomes a problem. We need to put a filter before we sha…

One little push back, someone had to write the fake news for other people to share it.

Massive click farms and hate baiting are the issues that can be solved. Options like where the content originated from, who the writer was and why are they anon if so?

Tech solutions are a first approximation to solve this question. Deeper solutions require scale and some mustache twirling

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