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Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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Your guessing sounds rather sexist. Why not stick to data instead of guessing? There is enough bias against men already.

I'm guessing you're male? Time to sit down and shut up for a bit, yeah?

Please do not talk to anyone, male or female, like this.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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I'm of the opinion that the average software engineer in the USA is already overpaid and underworked with excellent benefits and low incentive to unionize. I'm simplifying it a bit but if you don't like your job, just grab a copy of Cracking the Coding Interview and apply to big companies. The big companies pay very well, have good benefits and interview everyone because of the need for a high head count

I think the average software engineer is underpaid relative to the value that they deliver to a company and the economy in general. Relative to other professions, sure. But I think that if a tech company makes enough to (in one instance) pay out dividends, they have spare cash to raise wages or provide bonuses to those that generated the value in the first place.

>I think the average software engineer is underpaid relative to the value that they deliver to a company and the economy in general.

People see the sticker price of things and do some napkin math, but I'd be willing to bet in most cases, if that employee were to make the product on their own (with no help or resources or existing customers), they would not be able to make the same amount of money because they would have to face "new company" risks and statistics. That is pretty bleak.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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Alcohol increases confidence in one's abilities. Everyone has some skill they insist they are "better at" when drunk.

Back in university days I often wrote assignments while tipsy and then edited them when sober. Cider was just perfect for silencing the inner critic to get some thoughts to paper.

Well, there you have me. My secret better-when-drunk talent is writing poetry and first messages on OkCupid.

These are only weakly connected.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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A blog post like this gets so much attention where is the fucking evidence? I am a male from Iran having spent more than half of my life here and worked in Silicon Valley long enough to be considered an easy target for labels like terrorist and misogynist simultaneously (finally I'm beginning to believe it, how slow of me.) I have to say there is more and more similarities between the two with each passing day, with…

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Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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If you are sexually harassed, and HR doesn't do anything about it, you should sue. Don't expect HR to change. If the stories in this article are true, and if the evidence is as strong as the article says it is, this is a slam-dunk case for sexual harassment, hostile work environment, retaliation, etc.

Her story is bullshit. Typical attention whore. Didn't get a jacket. Report to HR. Something happened that she interpreted. Report to HR. If the story is credible why wait for ONE year. Either SUE publicly or post messages publicly. I call bullshit. Pussy thirsty Betas on Hacker News will of course side with her. I think she is doing for attention for her book.

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Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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Wait until no one else is in the market. Then have fun with your positive thing/thinking :)

I don't see that happening. There's no natural monopoly here and almost no barriers to entry. The moment Uber tries to leverage being the only one left, someone new will undercut them.

This is basically like saying "I don't see why someone couldn't just build a Youtube alternative. There's no barrier to entry, basically. You can just buy as many hard drives as you need if Youtube acts up!"

Except the twenty gazillion dollars you need to get started anyway, and the fifty ga-jillion dollar incumbent you're stacked against who already, again, has leveraged their death grip on the market -- which is presumably why you were becoming a competitor at all, right? To fight that?

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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> If they can't find better jobs, they're getting a fair deal. In an idealized market, yes. But given incidents like this, it seems like some employees must be being treated for more fairly than others -- which suggests there's no fairness at all.

I was speaking about fairness across the economy, not fairness within the company. For every Uber there are a dozen companies that actively seek out female employees for diversity purposes. I'm not aware of any data that suggest gender discrimination in the United States (and no, the wage gap is not an example of discrimination, as almost all of it is known to be caused by differing aggregate priorities between the s…

The difference between our points of view seems to be the degree to which we regards Uber as an outlier. I don't; it's one of many companies with this very different "fairness"; so I don't think we can take the market at face value.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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The very first thing that occurred to me upon reading this account of harassment is that the "high performer" deflection is complete and utter bullshit, and should be called out loudly for what it is.

I don't care of you're Thomas Edison, James Watson, or Nikola Tesla. Sending sexually-oriented messages to women in your workplace ever, let alone the first day that person is on board, is completely unacceptable and any "bro" who thinks it's OK ought to be subject to a zero-tolerance policy.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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The jacket drama had nothing to do with gender really and she was making a big deal out of something trivial. I can imagine the scenario is like "ok we're too cheap to create custom jackets for everyone so we will order the jacket size that fits the majority and the minority can try to fit in it". If the gender ratio was the other way around, there would be a similar situation. The response to other reports are stand…

Sure, and we could save money by only have women's restrooms on every other floor, or not at all since we can certainly save money by not hiring women at all. Its just economic sense: we know that its easier to find men, so lets just optimize for men. Then there's all that diversity training. And don't forget women create tension at the office because they are pretty and their women parts distract the men who can't b…

Your argument isn't relevant for the situation and is very black and white. Wearing male sized team gear is a trivial matter. There are obviously other cases where accounting for every minority is important but this is not one of them.

Re: Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber

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I'm of the opinion that the average software engineer in the USA is already overpaid and underworked with excellent benefits and low incentive to unionize. I'm simplifying it a bit but if you don't like your job, just grab a copy of Cracking the Coding Interview and apply to big companies. The big companies pay very well, have good benefits and interview everyone because of the need for a high head count

Great idea. Go work at a company like, say, Uber?

And easily switch to similar prestigious company like Stripe.
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