Why is everyone ignoring that she could be attention whore and Uber did nothing wrong to keep her employed. If she made false claims, I wish Uber sues her ass.
Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee
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#162Not saying uber is right or wrong but part of the problem is there aren't any sane rules of what is and isn't sexual harassment - there is mostly just vague case law and public opinion so things are treated 'case by case'. I was told by a HR department that if someone overheard you and misconstrued what you said it still could be harassment even if they don't report to the person talking. No one could agree what was…
Can we just avoid sexual conversations at work? That's a pretty simple rule that negates all the complexities of determining what type of sexual discussion is and isn't sexual harassment. I've sometimes heard the argument that such a notion is puritanical and sterile but honestly I am just not at all interested in sexual banter at the workplace and I feel like nothing of value is lost if I don't have to overhear rema…
We can (and I, personally, do) but that isn't a practical standard. Healthy humans are sexual ones and especially when you have younger people working 60+ hours with a close group you will have people talking about sex. That should be expected but the current legal standard doesn't allow for that.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, exactly. Nothing should be off the table if this is nearly as wide-ranging as alleged, up to and including Travis Kalanick's termination for cause as CEO.
Sure, whatever, because of one mid-level manager being a perv?
Because Uber appears to have a culture of accepting that behaviour and lying to employees to deliberately perpetuate it.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The problem is that there seems to be a terrible, unbelievably toxic culture pervading nearly every department at Uber. I wonder if such things are limited to Uber or more widespread than we believe it to be. I have a fear that these incidents are more common than I believe them to be and that because we have our heads down and focusing on an end-goal, we don't notice that some of our colleagues are being traumatiz…
They are definitely not limited to Uber, but I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area.
> I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area.
I would agree with you that certain industries and areas would have equivalent if not higher prevalence. Investment banking comes to mind.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your point? That harassment occurs frequently and is often mishandled? I never disputed that.
Understood. You should get your lady friends in tech to read the comments you posted on a throwaway. Do you think they'll feel safer around you?
So you can't dispute his claims with evidence so you are just going to insist that women would be offended by them. Seems legit.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Understood. You should get your lady friends in tech to read the comments you posted on a throwaway. Do you think they'll feel safer around you?
So you can't dispute his claims with evidence so you are just going to insist that women would be offended by them. Seems legit.
I'm sorry. What evidence would be sufficient?
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, whatever, because of one mid-level manager being a perv?
Because Uber appears to have a culture of accepting that behaviour and lying to employees to deliberately perpetuate it.
One of the most fundamental purposes of HR is to hear employee complaints, particularly legal ones and to get them solved to both moral and legal satisfaction. It sounds like this HR department did everything exactly backward by focusing on hiding problems rather than addressing them, and they would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling bloggers.
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Sure they're not your friend, but Jesus Christ, the amount of legal trouble this particular HR establishment exposed themselves to through their actions is breathtaking. THAT'S their job: to prevent the company from getting sued!! In this case I'm completely bewildered as to why HR handled this particular situation so clumsily.
Sure..the thing I don't understand is why she didn't go to a lawyer? That would have been the next logical step for me. At least 1 person should get to prison if there is enough evidence collected by multiple women.
I used to have this attitude until I heard harassment stories from two close personal friends in the last year. It's really hard to come forward, especially if you're early in your career and struggled to get any job in the first place.
Apart from potentially being difficult emotionally there are tons of negative outcomes that could come from taking the legal route
Here's a list of potential negative outcomes of lawyering up:
* getting terminated (remember, at-will employment) * getting blacklisted by other teams at your current employer * getting blacklisted by potential future employers. Court cases are often public and in some industries companies are forced to make ongoing litigation public * having your weird texts, emails, personal life and sexual history being dragged out in a public court case * losing and still having to pay all those lawyer fees * winning but not getting any meaningful compensation * getting harassed on twitter/wherever by the alt-right/gamergate crowd.
Yes, people should be getting in trouble but it's a prisoners dilemma where each individual victim is not incentiviced to do anything.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure they're not your friend, but Jesus Christ, the amount of legal trouble this particular HR establishment exposed themselves to through their actions is breathtaking. THAT'S their job: to prevent the company from getting sued!! In this case I'm completely bewildered as to why HR handled this particular situation so clumsily.
Sure..the thing I don't understand is why she didn't go to a lawyer? That would have been the next logical step for me. At least 1 person should get to prison if there is enough evidence collected by multiple women.
It may seem hard to understand why one wouldn't go to a lawyer, but think about this:
Consider that the people who are wronged in these situations didn't set themselves those days to be harassed. Now they should not only stand what's been done to them, but also drop everything they were doing that day to sue? I think there's an understandable tradeoff that people go thru in those circumstance. They push the issue as seems appropriate in term of benefit/time. Where that line lies depends on the situation, the people involved and how much they enjoy spending their time litigating instead of doing XYZ other thing.
Lots of people don't even bother going through the hurdle of reporting to HR, being interviewed, being questioned, being doubted, having to spend hours or days handling the issue, instead of doing their work. Bringing that to the next level: not many people desire to spend their time suing instead of doing whatever it is they'd rather do with their time.
Arguably, issues should be pursued to educate and deter. But up until which point? I think you'll agree that it's understandable why someone would choose that reporting to HR was enough and suing wasn't worth the trouble.