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Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by blazespin »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

What I wish sometimes is that Chomsky would echo Trump's belief that the media is the enemy, because he's been saying it for decades. He won't, of course.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by omnius19 »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

I completely agree. It is one thing to give reasonable criticism of a specific incidence of news media misconduct. It is another thing to blanket condemn every news organization based on inaccurate hypotheticals and personal opinions with no proof. Democracy is in trouble when people lose faith in the media and independent journalism is suppressed. By all means, be a skeptical and informed consumer of the news, but don't contribute to the discrediting of the fourth estate without good reason.

Edit: I made this comment before the parent added a bunch of, mostly grammatical, complaints about the article. I agree with other posters that those are mostly superficial.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by vilhelm_s »

cnnsucks wrote: post #37
liquidise wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did i miss something? The only mention i can see to Trump in the piece is: > There has been some talk about even the US restarting its nuclear testing under President Trump, but this is largely speculation mixed with hyperbole.

> Did i miss something? I guess; Trump is thrown out in the context of speculating about where this isotope is coming from, as if the US might be conducting surreptitious tests on behalf of a nuclear war mongering Trump. Timing is way off though; the first reports appeared before he had any authority. It's a gratuitous mention and overlooks the fact that Trump probably ordered the 135 to Europe to investigate, someth…

I mean, the mention of Trump was in the context of speculations that Russia had tested a nuclear bomb, as an example that commitment to the nuclear test ban has weakened. The article rejects this idea, and it certainly never suggests that the U.S. had tested a bomb.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by shard972 »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

> Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty.

What about that news article that WaPo published about the guy who found some malware on his laptop and was blown out into this https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russi...

I don't know how you could go from a virus on a laptop to "Russia is hacking into our power grid" unless you are being intentionally dishonest or have such an agenda that you jump at any scrap to make a story.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lgessler wrote: post #33
thaumasiotes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you any less incompetent if your genetics don't allow you to be competent? Why would the line move if people vary in endowment in natural ability?

My point is that what qualifies as incompetence is extremely subjective. Saying "this person's work is incompetent", I think, usually amounts to nothing more than "this person made mistakes in their work that turn out to be obvious to me because of the particulars of my circumstances." Take me for example. I work as a software developer at a company that hires devs who studied computer science or math mostly from low…

> Not only is the label of incompetence highly subjective, it is also useless at best

This just isn't the case. The label of incompetence can give you correct, meaningful answers to questions like

- This person wants me to work with them. Am I likely to get anything out of this?

- If I devote my time to trying to educate/train/help this person, will I see any results from that? Will they end up with any additional knowledge/skills/gain?

- Should I copy this person's work?

- Is there any value in listening to this person's advice or recommendations?

- Can I trust this person to complete an important task for me?

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

omnius19 wrote: post #52
matt4077 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

I completely agree. It is one thing to give reasonable criticism of a specific incidence of news media misconduct. It is another thing to blanket condemn every news organization based on inaccurate hypotheticals and personal opinions with no proof. Democracy is in trouble when people lose faith in the media and independent journalism is suppressed. By all means, be a skeptical and informed consumer of the news, but d…

I feel like people have all of a sudden rushed to defend the media now that Trump is attacking it. But I feel like we've lost sight of who is probably chiefly responsible for Trump to begin with: A media framework which rewards views, leading to focus on the most outrageous and entertaining "news" over important information.

The media is VERY important, I agree. But I feel we've recently decided to forget how awful the media actually generally is. The article I noticed this last week that was particularly hilarious: "Trump made me order meatloaf, Christie says". That was CBS. That's what we've sunk to, and in many cases, that feels like the high point of where a lot of our media outlets have been.

There are definitely journalists out there doing a great job. The Intercept, The Guardian, The Information (though I can't afford to read the last one). But a lot of our news has been all hype and no substance, and I don't feel we should be giving them a pass right now, just because Trump's against them.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by blhack »

MR4D wrote: post #38

Didn't a Russian ship catch fire some months ago and travel through the English Channel? Seems to me that if it affected the nuclear aspect of the ship, it could pollute the water, and also flow into some of the major rivers of Europe.

I believe you are talking about this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/russian-carrier-p...

It's this ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admir...

Which is not nuclear.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by matt4077 »

shard972 wrote: post #54
matt4077 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

> Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. What about that news article that WaPo published about the guy who found some malware on his laptop and was blown out into this https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russi... I don't know how you could go from a virus on a laptop to "Russia is hacking into our power grid"…

Yeah, that was stupid.

There's also a big fat note at the top of that article now, and there were probably more articles about the retraction than there were about the original article.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by ebcode »

> Even the US left its own portion of nuclear waste in the northern latitudes, such as the once secret reactor at Camp Century, in Greenland, although this is minuscule compared to what the Soviets left behind.

The pro-US bias in this article is strong. It appears to be more of the same wardrum-beating, anti-Russian propaganda that took hold of the mainstream media towards the end of the US election.

On one hand, Russia does appear to have adopted a more aggressive military stance, especially with regards to Crimea and The Ukraine.

On the other hand, the present military stance of the US looks not unlike the full-tilt, batshit-crazy world domination plans of Germany during World War II.

It appears obvious to me that our current US military leaders are not above conducting false-flag operations for the purpose of gaining public support for foreign aggression, and it would not surprise me if they were responsible for this release of Iodine-131.

After all, they've done it before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Run

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by rtx »

omnius19 wrote: post #52
matt4077 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

I completely agree. It is one thing to give reasonable criticism of a specific incidence of news media misconduct. It is another thing to blanket condemn every news organization based on inaccurate hypotheticals and personal opinions with no proof. Democracy is in trouble when people lose faith in the media and independent journalism is suppressed. By all means, be a skeptical and informed consumer of the news, but d…

People lost faith in media after their support for Iraq war. I haven't seen anything from them which shows they are trying to improve.
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