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I am struggling to think of something productive to contribute to this discussion, because this absolutely incensed me. In lieu of anything else: Susan deserves to be commended for her bravery in writing this.
By all indications, Uber has a toxic work culture that costs them both top talent and organizational velocity. I'm a college senior at a well-regarded engineering school. My CS classmates - especially women - simply do not apply to Uber, in large part because of its reputation for internal misogyny and general assholery. Four classmates interned there last summer, and as far as I know none are interested in returning…
Hijacking this top comment to provide some personal experiences. I started as an engineer in the spring of 2014 and this was definitely the case there. Top engineers were being poached from Google/FB and these people were trying to carve out territory in a quickly growing engineering team. The misogynistic culture, in my mind, comes from most of the early employees being former frat bros. Culture was extremely heavy…
Can you explain why they don't have to work again? How did they become wealthy? Those options aren't worth anything if the company doesn't IPO.
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Golden handcuffs are called handcuffs for a reason.
They're not handcuffs, involuntary servitude is illegal. 'Golden handcuffs' means you care more about your future payout than whatever missbehavior/illegality/immorality you're overlooking. Also believing that same missbehavior won't cause the contract to be worthless by the time you get to collect.
Intrigued by his presence and directness, the lady raises her eyebrows and says "go on..."
"Would you sleep with me for a hundred bucks?"
"No! Who do you think I am?!"
"I know who you are, we're just engaged in market price-discovery."
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I don't know if the person you were responding to was intentionally implying Ms. Fowler probably had a unicorn's worth of money on the table for the typical 1-year cliff or was just making a dark commentary about the reality of the industry we work in (internet postings suck for conveying subtleties of language), but I will say I know people who joined/stayed at a place they weren't really happy with because the offer matched or exceeded their BATNA price.
I think we should have that self-reflective commentary about just how much money actually matters in relation to our ideals of "disruption" and "making the world a better place" (would you realistically take a 40k offer to do something truly altruistic after a few years of a SF salary?). Whether that's on-topic here, that's the are-the-downvotes-warranted question here.
Does that indicate anything about how the case is going? Such as that the settlement negotiations are at an impasse?
HR fucked up and the manager should not have talked to her that way. Absolutely agree. I believe she has grounds to sue if she wishes. Now, I think it's easy to take this type of situations and overeact. The behavior Susan described is not appropriate. That said, I think there is a trend to classify any romantic behavior or advances as sexual assault and innpapropriate behavior. Nowadays I would have a very hard time…
If you'll take a moment to reread the entire article, you'll see that she did not in fact overreact --- in fact, if anything, she underreacted, staying on long after the incident you're commenting on, working exclusively with management to resolve her problems, and leaving the company only after gross mistreatment both in employee reviews and by HR. Could you perhaps try giving the article another read and let us kno…
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I don't think the value you generate actually matters in regards to compensation though. What matters is how easy you are to replace.
It does, because value generated helps with your best alternative to negotiated agreement. Specifically, there's more money floating around trying to woo freelancers, technical cofounders, etc. Also, it sets their BATNA as well - how much value they miss out on while working on replacing you.
Ah I never thought about that.
I don't really get what you mean with respect to more money to get freelancers and such. Isn't the compensation of freelancers directly related to how much they would have to pay employees anyway? After all, I can only assume that if it's significantly cheaper to hire an employee, they would do so.
I would have thought too that freelancers have some special skillsets, which make them less easy to find, and thus less replaceable as well, but I don't have any data to back that up.
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You both should sit this one out. Talk to your women engineer friends to get a better understanding of the situation.
This isn't a sports match. What's wrong with what I said?
Ask some women about this post, and listen to what they tell you. Don't argue, just absorb.
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Yes. Culture is CEO's responsibility. Period.
The story got picked up by the Verge, and there's a response from Uber's CEO... http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/19/14664474/uber-sexism-alleg...
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We have a "whiskey club", and regularly go to the pub where I work. We don't do it at lunchtime. We don't do it during the working day. 5:30pm on a Friday? Let's have a glass of whiskey together. Somebody joining/leaving, or we haven't been out together for a while? Let's go to the pub after work one evening. There is a #drinks channel in Slack where people who fancy a drink after work co-ordinate, and several of wil…
> As for team dynamics, it means we know each other better and bond more frequently. Not a problem, I think. Except for the non-drinkers in your team. I suspect that they either a) feel left out, because a non-drinker at a pub has a boring time, and has to keep justifying their empty glass b) probably miss out on important decisions if a majority of the important people in a team are present, which is bad dynamics c)…
Is this seriously a thing in the US? Feeling like you have to drink if you're surrounded by people drinking? I keep hearing stories like that. Nobody is going to judge you for not consuming alcohol - if anyone does, they're certainly not people I'd want to hang out with regardless of whether drinks are involved.
It doesn't hurt not to give a fuck, once in a while.
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They're not handcuffs, involuntary servitude is illegal. 'Golden handcuffs' means you care more about your future payout than whatever missbehavior/illegality/immorality you're overlooking. Also believing that same missbehavior won't cause the contract to be worthless by the time you get to collect.
Someone will reply with the exact citation, but there's the story of that psychologist or economist or jaded physicist who goes to a fancy bougie party, dressed like a million bucks, and goes up to a pretty lady in a fancy ballgown. "Would you sleep with me for a million bucks?" Intrigued by his presence and directness, the lady raises her eyebrows and says "go on..." "Would you sleep with me for a hundred bucks?" "N…
I have no idea what her compensation package looks like, it doesn't really matter to the point I'm making.
My point was simply this: if you're waiting for your payout, you're keeping your mouth shut by not walking out. If you have some sort of serious ethical disagreement with your employer, you have to weigh how much you care about that to how much you will benefit from your future stock package.
If you say everything they're doing is incredibly evil and they need to be stopped, but you're waiting around for your $12 million payday, we figured out your price.
You can walk away from things with multiple zeros on the end. I've seen people do it. You might end up happier in the end. All depends on the situation.
The name "golden handcuffs" seems to imply that someone doesn't have a choice in the matter. They do. If you find yourself in one of the situations, don't forget that's an option.