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As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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In 2011, as a condition for joining, the World Trade Organization ordered Samoa to eliminate the ban within a year. Eliminate a policy designed for the betterment of the population! So that's one of the aims of the WTO, to promote corporate interests, even when it's bad for the general population.

What other decisions would you like the government to make for you? For your own good, of course.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lead has a quantifiable effect that directly infringes on the rights of others -- eating junk food does not. Well, if you have to receive public assistance because of your bad eating habits, then that's a "quantifiable effect" on my pocket book.

Under Obamacare, their increased health care costs also costs everyone (in part because Obamacare is the worst of all worlds -- it would be difficult to intentionally design something worse).

I agree with both comments, but those problems have other solutions.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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The obesity situation on Pacific islands is a complex interaction of genetics, economics, and geography/geopolitics: a small genetic predisposition to larger frames and more efficient fat storage (described in multiple papers, like this one [1]), poor and underdeveloped economies increasingly unable to compete in a globalized world, and a shift [2] to energy-dense diets driven by affordability, convenience, and long…

There's an alternative opinion (espoused by some in medical research community and author Gary Taubes) describing the situation as simple and straigtforward - islanders developed obesity (and diabetes, and gout, and heart disease) after gaining access to sugar in various forms, including soft drinks. Remove sugar and its substitutes from the equation, and high obesity rates disappear. Blaming "modern" lifestyle rarel…

Take the example of Qatar, where a "modern" lifestyle is a clear and obvious contributor to the fourth-highest obesity rate in the world. A state which in just 70 years has ascended to the country with the highest per capita income, and the fourth highest GDP per capita; it has used generous oil and natural gas revenues to massively raise the country's Human Development Index and institute a welfare state. Despite internationally-highlighted issues with among others, corporal punishment, the treatment of migrant laborers, and the mortal danger for homosexuals, most average Qatari live very, very well.

Yet in this short span of time, traditions haven't adjusted for the altered diet, air-conditioned comfort, and sudden lack of need to perform manual labor (which is now done by foreign migrant workers instead). So far in Qatar, government spending on healthcare has not been able to stem the rise in obesity, so other social health promotion programmes are being deployed.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lead has a quantifiable effect that directly infringes on the rights of others -- eating junk food does not. Well, if you have to receive public assistance because of your bad eating habits, then that's a "quantifiable effect" on my pocket book.

Under Obamacare, their increased health care costs also costs everyone (in part because Obamacare is the worst of all worlds -- it would be difficult to intentionally design something worse).

I always wonder how a group of people can come together and made a bad decision.

I mean, if one person makes a bad decision, you can say, OK, we all make mistakes, but a room full of smart? people...

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a significant distinction between polluting the environment, which harms other people directly and making unhealthy decisions in one's own life, which has only indirect effects on others.

In countries that provide publicly-funded healthcare you are arguably directly effecting other people's lives by the cost of the medical treatments you'll end up needing if you are obese - these treatments will be funded out of the taxpayer's pocket, when that money could be going to better schooling, infrastructure, or some other use.

By that definition there is literally nothing the government can't, and arguably shouldn't, regulate. That won't end badly I'm sure!

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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post #44
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under Obamacare, their increased health care costs also costs everyone (in part because Obamacare is the worst of all worlds -- it would be difficult to intentionally design something worse).

I always wonder how a group of people can come together and made a bad decision. I mean, if one person makes a bad decision, you can say, OK, we all make mistakes, but a room full of smart? people...

As I understand it: Good ideas come from individuals. Good sorting of ideas comes from a crowd. Trying to get a crowd to make good ideas is apparently not very functional.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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post #15

In 2011, as a condition for joining, the World Trade Organization ordered Samoa to eliminate the ban within a year. Eliminate a policy designed for the betterment of the population! So that's one of the aims of the WTO, to promote corporate interests, even when it's bad for the general population.

And people wonder why there's an anti-globalisation backlash.

Last time I've tried to argue for the French ban of unlimited soda refills, I was called a "Stalinist" so I probably won't say much on this one. I hope it will help to reduce their obesity rates.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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Stan Efferding, a prominent bodybuilder, powerlifter, and YouTube fitness celebrity does a great talk on how first changed on the islands after they started picking up on American food trends: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s86DJ1pVF0U

Do you own a cooler within a cooler?

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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post #15

In 2011, as a condition for joining, the World Trade Organization ordered Samoa to eliminate the ban within a year. Eliminate a policy designed for the betterment of the population! So that's one of the aims of the WTO, to promote corporate interests, even when it's bad for the general population.

I'm asking because I genuinely don't know: did Samoa apply bans to unhealthy locally produced food too or just to unhealthy imported food?

did Samoa apply bans to unhealthy locally produced food too or just to unhealthy imported food?

In general, countries like that don't have unhealthy, locally-produced food. And the article agrees with that assertion. We have a patent on junk food.

Re: As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food

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post #15

In 2011, as a condition for joining, the World Trade Organization ordered Samoa to eliminate the ban within a year. Eliminate a policy designed for the betterment of the population! So that's one of the aims of the WTO, to promote corporate interests, even when it's bad for the general population.

What other decisions would you like the government to make for you? For your own good, of course.

Seat belts, air bags, crumple zones.

Fire exists, wheelchair ramps, smoke alarms, fire rated building materials.

Emission targets, waste control.

Air traffic, RF spectrum, earth orbit satellites.

Minimum wages, social security, health care, school.

Defence, police, emergence services.

We are not savages. In fact, it could be argued that the system we have is a result of having anarchy in our distant past. We rather like being governed and having institutions and civil society.

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