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Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by valuearb »

svantana wrote: post #14
charlesdm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just checked: a Porsche GT4 (€88k in Belgium) costs €180k in Norway. So might be both Norway and Denmark. I have an honest question (and don't downvote me for this), but how do you enjoy life in Scandinavian countries? Everything seems to be taxed to hell: income, wealth, cars, alcohol, etc. Does that actually leave any room for fun that involves spending money? People don't need to be living in massive luxury and yo…

You do realize that taxes don't just disappear, right? Tax revenue pays for things like child care, health care, universities etc. That means the average consumer can spend more on frivolous things even if they are more expensive. So yeah us Scandinavians are living a pretty sweet life :)

You pay for child care, health care and universities, whether through taxes or your pocketbook. Paying through your pocket book just means you have freedom of choice.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by rodionos »

Norway is an example of a "great rotation" from gasoline cars into diesel and electrical vehicles. What's also interesting is that it is happening quickly:

https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/bbc5e671

Keep in mind, that Norway has abundant hydropower capacity. The wholesale settlement price for electricity out of Norway has fallen from 50 to 30 eurocents over the last 10 years for a variety of reasons such as Denmark's successful foray into offshore wind energy production.

As for Tesla, it made it to top-10 by new registrations in 2015:

https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/bbc5e671/3/

The annual statistics for 2016 will be released at the end of March, so it would be interesting to see the progress the country has made last year.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by martinald »

rodionos wrote: post #92

Norway is an example of a "great rotation" from gasoline cars into diesel and electrical vehicles. What's also interesting is that it is happening quickly: https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/bbc5e671 Keep in mind, that Norway has abundant hydropower capacity. The wholesale settlement price for electricity out of Norway has fallen from 50 to 30 eurocents over the last 10 years for a variety of reasons such as Denmark's…

30cents a kWh? That seems crazy expensive for wholesale electricity?

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by madengr »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #59

Can someone provide data showing how electric cars reduce emissions overall? Having something like this ready would help when discussing with people who are not sure of the benefits of EVs ("it still uses energy right?").

Charging at night time uses base load, so greater proportion of nuclear power.

Maximum efficieny of a gasoline engine is about 30%, versus 96% for an electric motor, though the battery does have less efficiency.

Electricity generated at a power plant using fossil fuels and steam turbines is more efficient than locally in an engine.

It's cheap to transport electricity over wires. Fuel still needs to be piped and trucked.

So even if your electric car was powered by fossil fuels at the power plant, it's still more efficient.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by rodionos »

martinald wrote: post #93
rodionos wrote: post #92

Norway is an example of a "great rotation" from gasoline cars into diesel and electrical vehicles. What's also interesting is that it is happening quickly: https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/bbc5e671 Keep in mind, that Norway has abundant hydropower capacity. The wholesale settlement price for electricity out of Norway has fallen from 50 to 30 eurocents over the last 10 years for a variety of reasons such as Denmark's…

30cents a kWh? That seems crazy expensive for wholesale electricity?

Sorry, it's EUR/MWh: from 50 EUR/MWh to 30 EUR/MWh.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by btian »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #59

Can someone provide data showing how electric cars reduce emissions overall? Having something like this ready would help when discussing with people who are not sure of the benefits of EVs ("it still uses energy right?").

The answer depends on source of electricity.

I live in California and charge my Tesla with electricity from solar. The emission profile will look very different if electricity came from burning coal.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by Tade0 »

_delirium wrote: post #84
Strom wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What limitations are there for just using a German registered car? That's one of the main arguments that is being brought up here in Estonia when the socialists try to create a car registration tax. The opponents claim that people will just go a bit south to Latvia and register their car there, and then just drive around with a Latvian registration. There aren't any restrictions that prohibit this. Similar behavior e…

You can drive a German-registered car as a tourist who isn't resident in Denmark, but if you move to Denmark and become a resident (or already were resident), you must register the car in Denmark within 30 days of bringing it into the country [1]. But yes, some amount of this happens. The easiest case to get away with it is probably if you are actually from another EU country, and just keep it registered in your home…

I wonder what happens if you're leasing the car? Technically it's not your property, so you can't register it.

I'm sure there's some kind of mechanism to prevent people from driving cars leased in another country, but how does it work?

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by hmottestad »

rodionos wrote: post #92

Norway is an example of a "great rotation" from gasoline cars into diesel and electrical vehicles. What's also interesting is that it is happening quickly: https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/bbc5e671 Keep in mind, that Norway has abundant hydropower capacity. The wholesale settlement price for electricity out of Norway has fallen from 50 to 30 eurocents over the last 10 years for a variety of reasons such as Denmark's…

Diesel is on its way out now too. Creates too much carbon monoxide and other stuff. Had our first day this winter where diesel cars were banned from municipal roads in Oslo, the capital. Got a lot of people scared away from buying diesel.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by snvzz »

digi_owl wrote: post #3

Expect the numbers to drop right back down again in a few years. A major reason for people owning a EV, a law that was introduced back when Thinks were the big deal EV to have (yeah, right) that allowed EVs to use the bus lanes and not pay a toll, have been repealed. Note that it was only when Tesla made the EV comparable to a sportscar that it picked up in Norway. And that was because now the rich of the nation coul…

I doubt the rich account for much of that 37%.

Figure is too high for that hypothesis.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by nextos »

Tade0 wrote: post #97
_delirium wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can drive a German-registered car as a tourist who isn't resident in Denmark, but if you move to Denmark and become a resident (or already were resident), you must register the car in Denmark within 30 days of bringing it into the country [1]. But yes, some amount of this happens. The easiest case to get away with it is probably if you are actually from another EU country, and just keep it registered in your home…

I wonder what happens if you're leasing the car? Technically it's not your property, so you can't register it. I'm sure there's some kind of mechanism to prevent people from driving cars leased in another country, but how does it work?

Leasing is not that expensive in Denmark in comparison to ownership. Also, due to extreme rusting of your car after a few years due to road salt, I find it gives more peace of mind.

If you are a permanent resident, you can't drive a vehicle with foreign number plates. That rules out leasing abroad.

Many people live in Malmö but work in Copenhagen precisely to avoid this restriction.

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