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AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Not a CPU expert here, but isn't this a comparison of AMD next gen to Intel current gen? Won't Intel have a new CPU out, too, when the Ryzen is actually released?

Not really. All Intel has are Ticks. Incremental upgrades for the next few years at least.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need that in desktop env? What's the usecase when it can be beneficial to have expensive ECC RAM instead of the ordinary one? I was always thinking that ECC can prevent blue screens/kernel faults, but I haven't seen those in years on my laptop without ECC.

> What's the usecase when it can be beneficial to have expensive ECC RAM instead of the ordinary one? Anyone using ZFS will (or should!) care about ECC support. [0] Lots of people build their own NAS/SAN boxes, so ECC support on a desktop CPU at a reasonable price point would be very appreciated. Currently you need to buy specific model CPUs (Celeron or Xeon, IIRC) to get ECC support from Intel. [1] [0] https://serve…

There is nothing special about using ZFS with/without ECC.

You are getting the same benefits using any filesystem while running with ECC.

Also the "myth" that wrong checksum calculations due to a bitflip will degrade a ZFS filesystem even faster is not valid.

There are some articles/newsgroups around explaining this in much more detail.

So: Using ZFS on non ECC is not inherently unsafer than other filesystems on non ECC.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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What about Win7 drivers? Even if the Redmond based company doesn't like marketing about it (an understatement) - please support it. (Recently AMD announced Win7 support only to remove the announcement after after a few days.) Even Intel supports Win7 with their most recent CPU as well, even if it's not officially marketed, and one has to search around for the driver.

Grab a copy of Win10 LTSB-N and get rid of Win7. It has all that annoying crap stripped out.

You should be able to find a copy fairly easily floating around here and there.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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What about Win7 drivers? Even if the Redmond based company doesn't like marketing about it (an understatement) - please support it. (Recently AMD announced Win7 support only to remove the announcement after after a few days.) Even Intel supports Win7 with their most recent CPU as well, even if it's not officially marketed, and one has to search around for the driver.

Call me selfish but I think it is more important for them to contribute to GNU/Linux and *bsd projects. I know Microsoft has a contractual obligation to support 7 for a while but I think there's next to zero chance they will reset Windows 10 and go back to Windows 7. You will need to get away from Windows 7 at some point. Better start making preparations now.

I'm not sure how much you are following, but AMD is doing quite well on Linux/*BSDs (at least regarding graphics, but they haven't had any interesting CPUs for a while). Mesa 17 has just hit OpenGL 4.5 compatibility on last 4 generations of Radeons [1].

Radv, community-developed Vulkan driver supporting last 3 generations of Radeons, supports vkQuake, Dota 2, and The Talos Principle, which is pretty much everything there is on Linux [2]. Playing Doom 2016 over Wine using Vulkan is also working if one uses airlied's branch [3]. Performance is not on par with Windows right now, but I expect it to improve over time.

[1] https://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/17.0.0.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_Vulkan_supp... [3] https://github.com/airlied/mesa/tree/radv-wip-doom-wine

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Execs at Intel ain't gonna be too worried, they probably have signed contracts that lock partners up for many years to come

In a world where progress has slowed down, being two to three years behind Intel means you're practically interchangeable. This chip isn't an abnormality, it's a sign of things to come, and there's no way it isn't keeping Intel's execs up at night.

Amd is prepping a 32 core server beast. Considering Intel just launched a 24 core chip costing 9000 dollars, and considering the AMD IPC is looking good, Intel execs must be gnawing down to their elbows at the prospect of AMD walking in to that market at 50% pricing deltas. Over to GloFo though on process. That appears to be the a possible achilles heel here for AMD.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

#46
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Do you mind explaining why you prefer Windows 7 over 10?

I'm not OP but I'm using Windows 7 for playing Steam games which do not work on Linux natively or using Wine. My reasons for avoiding Windows 10, aside from having everything I care about on Windows 7 already, are described well by EFF [1]. None of the games I care to play are DX12 and Windows Store exclusive, so using Windows 7 has worked well so far. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/08/windows-10-microsoft-b.…

I think you're on a really weird high horse saying 7 is OK but 10 is bad. If you're only using the thing for games, and you're not ideologically opposed to using nonfree software, what's the difference? It seems a similar argument to "Win7 is OK, but a PS4 is not, because of software freedom."

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Wow... I really hope this is true and that it's a sign that AMD have their mojo back. Partly because I have a sentimental favoritism towards AMD, and partly because Intel (and Nvidia) need competition.

An AMD 40Mhz 80486 was my first build so I also have a soft spot. At the time it was the fatest x86 one could buy. Gees I even remember lusting after the Ati 8514 Ultra, one of the earliest GPU accelerators, clone of IBM's high end workstation standard of the early 90s, as a teenager. Wow I'm getting old. Conversely, though I admire Intel for its central place in advancing computing itself, I cannot love the company…

I remember those days and bought AMD then too. There was even a third competitor in those days, Cyrix.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been looking into a new CPU to play Overwatch because my is 4(670?)K is struggling with even high. Bottlenecks around the gpu pegging all 4 OCd cores out at 100% constantly without even hitting 144fps. It's not just old games that need good cpus these days, though I will admit I'm probably more than just the enthusiast market.

Something is wrong with your pc. I'm running ultra gpu settings constant 70fps at 2560x1440. I've got the same cpu, not overclocked at all, and a 980GTX. I'm also running 4 of those monitors off of the gpu, one with the game, one usually with netflix at the same time and I sit at 20% cpu the whole time.

Yeah, I'm running 1080@120hz on a GTX1080 with a 2500k@4.5ghz on all cores and the GPU maxes out before the CPU. Google around a bit for OW competitive settings and you should be able to achieve something similar :)

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world where progress has slowed down, being two to three years behind Intel means you're practically interchangeable. This chip isn't an abnormality, it's a sign of things to come, and there's no way it isn't keeping Intel's execs up at night.

Amd is prepping a 32 core server beast. Considering Intel just launched a 24 core chip costing 9000 dollars , and considering the AMD IPC is looking good, Intel execs must be gnawing down to their elbows at the prospect of AMD walking in to that market at 50% pricing deltas. Over to GloFo though on process. That appears to be the a possible achilles heel here for AMD.

AMD isn't limited to GloFo. There are rumors they're utilizing Samsung, as well, since it's also 14nm. And they could pivot to TSMC for 10nm, once Fab 15b is operational.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarked – Giving Intel’s $1000 Chips A Run For It

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world where progress has slowed down, being two to three years behind Intel means you're practically interchangeable. This chip isn't an abnormality, it's a sign of things to come, and there's no way it isn't keeping Intel's execs up at night.

Amd is prepping a 32 core server beast. Considering Intel just launched a 24 core chip costing 9000 dollars , and considering the AMD IPC is looking good, Intel execs must be gnawing down to their elbows at the prospect of AMD walking in to that market at 50% pricing deltas. Over to GloFo though on process. That appears to be the a possible achilles heel here for AMD.

32 core beast makes me think of a chip the size of a drink mat. Presumably it does fit in the AM4 socket though.
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