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Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decrypt hard drives

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Re: Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decrypt hard drives

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In my attempt to be clear about the piece of your rant I was calling attention to, I was imprecise. Your previous comment had been directed at asserting there was obviously a difference between someone verbally stating refusal and someone attempting to comply. I can see how you could choose to read that into what the other poster said, but it is not a charitable interpretation.

> There's no observable difference between inability to produce a result and refusing to produce a result. I don't see how that is open to interpretations, regardless of charitability. I think it is total, unabashed poppycock. > How do they know he didn't just forget the password? Or that the password was recorded somewhere that he no longer has access to? Credible testimony and other evidence. > After sitting in jai…

> I don't see how that is open to interpretations,

I can see a few things the author might be trying to convey. The most interesting would probably be "[There are cases where t]here's no observable difference [...]". I think the alternative I suggested ("[...] produce a result while pretending not to.") is better supported as the authors probable intent (while being a stronger statement and correspondingly less likely to be accurate).

In any case, pragmatics + charity should tell us someone wasn't asserting we can't tell the difference between a person saying "I can't" and a person saying "I won't", and if you can't figure out what else they might have meant the first thing to do is ask.

Re: Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decrypt hard drives

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Please don't conduct any more ideological flamewars on HN. It's definitely not what this site is for. Also, please be civil to others when commenting here.

I'm sorry, but I didn't conduct any sort of ideological flame war. I simply stated my stance on the issue that the thread was about. Other commenters took up the mantle of twisting my words and forcing me to more clearly explain myself. I didn't realize "gtfo" was too uncivil for HN. I generally do not use such language here, but... Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gra…

>I understand that you think you know what this site is for

I would say that while probably imperfect, dang's understanding of "what this site is for" is pretty reliable, since it's his job to moderate it. ;)

Re: Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decrypt hard drives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but I didn't conduct any sort of ideological flame war. I simply stated my stance on the issue that the thread was about. Other commenters took up the mantle of twisting my words and forcing me to more clearly explain myself. I didn't realize "gtfo" was too uncivil for HN. I generally do not use such language here, but... Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gra…

>I understand that you think you know what this site is for I would say that while probably imperfect, dang's understanding of "what this site is for" is pretty reliable, since it's his job to moderate it. ;)

And while I'm sure he does a fine job, I'm contesting his assessment of my motivations and insinuating that I broke any rule. You really like to drag things out. Why don't you just drop it?

Re: Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decrypt hard drives

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US federal law [1], per the Department of Justice, disagrees: > Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor ... No language exists to include depictions of the sort you describe, which are trivially distinguishable from an actual minor. Perhaps you argue from the law of a specific US state, but you need in that case to name the state on wh…

Tell that to the people actually serving time for cartoon child porn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornogra...

The, what, half-dozen or so of them, almost all of whom actually did possess, and were charged with crimes revolving around, actual child pornography as well?
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