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YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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>Is YouTube profitable yet? IIRC it has been for years.

I've only seen info on it not being profitable assuming you actually account for its actual bandwidth, etc. Do you know where you may have seen it's profitable?

Looks like I was kinda wrong.

http://www.investors.com/news/technology/youtube-valuation-s...

> But is YouTube profitable? Google has never said. Nor does it disclose viewership data or other financial metrics beyond a few broad statements.

> “There’s substantial uncertainty, particularly over the profit levels at YouTube, whether it’s break-even or if they're doing modest operating margins," RBC Capital analyst Mark Mahaney told IBD. “They have a lot of content royalty costs, massive bandwidth costs, storage costs, processing costs.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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Youtube resorting to interruption ads in the first place was equivalent to Tesla deciding to ship each car with a small internal combustion engine bolted on.

Considering the strides Amazon and Netflix have made with original content, I think Youtube should be viewed as having missed the boat in a pretty big way. All of the promising platform innovations that seemed worth waiting for now seem to have been put on hold in favor of prioritizing Google's ad revenue maximization.

The biggest of these are "autoplay" and the silly way that it chooses content to play next.

There seems to be some notion that consumers want to sit in front of youtube and gaze at it while it plays some bizarre mix of low quality user generated content and videos that consumers have watched before, while interspersing annoying ads that encourage the user to tap/click to dismiss the ad.

It's hard to imagine an experience that creates more annoyance. It's as if a fly is released into the room at the start of each video that lands on your ear, and you must either put up with it or exert effort to get rid of it.

Regular TV commercials should be viewed simply as a result a near monopoly for years, with viewers having no choice but to suffer through ads, and advertisers having no choice but to overpay for them.

I actively avoid watching youtube for these reasons, and consider it (as a product) a lot like SourceForge -- someone just trying to milk every ad dollar possible with no concern for the quality of the experience.

I hope this article means that there has been an inflection point and YouTube cannot continue to increase revenue by emulating the dated paradigm of broadacast TV.

Facebook, it seems, has already eaten Google's lunch on live video.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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> Ads shorter than 30-seconds, including the 20-second spots, can be made unskippable. uBlock Origin will continue to serve me well.

Ad-blockers are great, but people using them are reaching crossfit-levels of just having to let you know.

Everyone here is well aware of ad-blocking technology, but MANY people in the world either don't know how much difference it makes, or think it would be too difficult to set up. Helping an unsavvy person set up an ad-blocker may make a substantial positive difference in their life.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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> Ads shorter than 30-seconds, including the 20-second spots, can be made unskippable. uBlock Origin will continue to serve me well.

Look, bandwidth costs money. If you don't want to see ads, just subscribe to Youtube red. Don't be an asshole.

The problem is people can be an "asshole" with no repercussions and completely no way Google can stop them. Almost all business models rely on receiving payment before delivering product, simply because of the fact we can all revert to being assholes quite easily.

So Google and other companies that largely depend on online ads just have to accept the fact that some people are going to disable them. They have complete ability to do so and simply no way it can be stopped. It's inevitable.

If ad blocking becomes so rampant that businesses start to collapse, we'll likely see the internet really ramp up subscription models.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one thing that youtube does really well though - on some other sketchy video player you never know whether the video will play even if the ad will (the worst is when don't let you know you're geo-blocked until after playing their ad) but on youtube the video always plays just as well as the ads for me.

I've experienced the advertisement playing flawlessly followed by severe buffering for the real video.

It happens, but I've also experienced the stream playing flawlessly for the first 30s and then severe buffering for the remainder of the video, or the ad buffering and the video not. Network conditions change and buffering happens, but i haven't seen a consistent trend where the content is worse than the ad, like i have on so many other video players.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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> Ads shorter than 30-seconds, including the 20-second spots, can be made unskippable. uBlock Origin will continue to serve me well.

Look, bandwidth costs money. If you don't want to see ads, just subscribe to Youtube red. Don't be an asshole.

> Look, bandwidth costs money.

For the user too, do you think people have unlimited data plans? I'm not paying to see ads.

> Don't be an asshole.

Because insults are going to rally people to your cause?

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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You know, I really wish I could buy Youtube Red for my friends more easily. It drives me up the wall when one of them is watching youtube and some obnoxious ad plays at 2x the volume of anything else they've been doing. I already pay for Youtube Red myself primarily because I hate video / audio advertising with a passion, but I can't control what anyone else in the room does with their money I guess.

Advertising is the sole reason I stopped watching television. It's unbelievably distracting when I enter someone else's house and they have their TV playing all the time. How do you not get sucked in? I guess I was desensitized to it earlier in life, but now I'll gladly pay subscription fees to distance myself from that racket.

Re: YouTube to stop 30-second unskippable ads

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Look, my time is valuable. I decide what media to play based on my preferences. If I don't want to see ads, why would I instruct my browser to play them? If giving out free videos isn't a sustainable business model, change your business model. No amount of shame will ever be effective in getting me to turn off my adblocker. Sorry if this offends you.

For being such a bunch of stingy capitalists, it's always surprising to see people defend businesses without viable models. If hosting content online for free isn't working for you, maybe that's not a commercial space worth occupying. Not everything deserves to be paid for, "selfish" or not. Users, aka "the market," will decide if your product is usable despite the income generating parts. Marginally related, if your…

Dunno, what doesn't seem "viable" is serving ads that can be trivially blocked.

We haven't even reached the real arms race yet, and people are already talking like adblockers won.

Let's pick this convo back up at least when ad networks like Adsense let you proxy through your server, ending an entire class of adblocking at once. And that's not the end of the low-hanging fruit.

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