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Reasonable Person Principle

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Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the fact that you can't is itself an indicator as to what has happened in American culture, in general.

I can't tell if you are commenting on him being part of a clueless American culture, in general, or that his quandary is because the aforementioned culture problem.

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Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the fact that you can't is itself an indicator as to what has happened in American culture, in general.

I'm afraid "the common good of the community" and "accepting and accommodating the needs of others" is problematic in today's culture, especially on the campus. What is reasonable if my "need" is to see cisheteronormative orthodoxies quite literally burned down?

is that a rhetorical question?

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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I can't tell if this is satire.

I was just going to write that and you beat me to it. Who really would seriously follow this? Possibly the same people who argue passionately about coding standards over being productive? Just struck me as silly.

Reasonable people can argue passionately about coding standards in a conversation about coding standards, but make compromises about coding standards when it's time to actually complete a project with other people.

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#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you are commenting on him being part of a clueless American culture, in general, or that his quandary is because the aforementioned culture problem.

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That statement adds literally nothing to the conversation. Very much like your parent statement.

If you're going to comment, can you at least try to inform or challenge me/others?

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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A very clear and cogent overview of a structure. Simple to cite. Pragmatic and practical - I think it's quite a positive to have for an organization. > Not all people share the same model of reasonableness, so disagreements inevitably occur. Under the reasonable person principle, the first thing to do is work it out privately (perhaps in person, since e-mail is known to amplify feelings). Indeed, many people would fi…

Agreed, i've observed both personally and with others that americans tend to get upset when someone tries to move a disagreement into private chat, rather than having a public battle about it; and also tend to follow it up by actions that ensure the disagreement is never resolved.

I think it's sometimes interpreted as a kind of shadiness.

One thing that might help is a promise to summarize to the group after the discussion is over.

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Reasonableness requires self-awareness and an appreciation for the common good. Its staggering how absent those qualities are in many people, and how these attributes evaporate in the face of strong emotion.

Regardless, the "Reasonable Person" is a staple in litigation, used as a benchmark for conduct where the specifics are too complicated or variable to consider individually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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post #13

I can't tell if this is satire.

the fact that you can't is itself an indicator as to what has happened in American culture, in general.

Not to pile on the commenter, but I agree. If you have to ask if this is satire you either lack experience (most likely) and will later in life understand; or you lack self-awareness and will never understand.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes

That statement adds literally nothing to the conversation. Very much like your parent statement. If you're going to comment, can you at least try to inform or challenge me/others?

comment I responded to asked a question in the form of "A or B". I evaluated their question logically.

what do you think I owe you in terms of "informing or challenging" you? at some point you'll have to actually interpret my comments yourself and figure out what I meant. how explicit do I need to be?

we're talking about indicators that point to what has happened to American culture and society. A comment expressing confusion as to whether or not "behave like reasonable adults" is a satirical statement is quite revealing, don't you think?

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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post #37

Reasonableness requires self-awareness and an appreciation for the common good. Its staggering how absent those qualities are in many people, and how these attributes evaporate in the face of strong emotion. Regardless, the "Reasonable Person" is a staple in litigation, used as a benchmark for conduct where the specifics are too complicated or variable to consider individually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonabl…

Yep, in the US at least, I consider this a big flaw in the legal system, since "reasonable" people really don't exist in this country. The recent election is proof of this. We need a legal standard that doesn't rely on something that's fictional.
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