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Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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>So it's dangerous to censor any news, being that Truth is a hot topic these days. I disagree, I'm perfectly fine with censoring racist/sexist/homophobic etc. hateful or fascist content. Whether the news falls under that, I don't know, but I sure don't think censorship means 'division'. The idea that words should be awarded an innate right to be said I see no reason for. The rise of the right wing is worrying for a C…

> I'm perfectly fine with censoring racist/sexist/homophobic etc. hateful or fascist content. With how liberally those terms are being thrown around now, I have no confidence in any non-human and even most human curation.

To them that means you are an other, a despicable person for not agreeing with them.

Then, as their brains start to churn, they realize your opinion HELPS those people with bad opinions!

Their brains are really fired up now! Especially the admygdala, and they realize that you, yes you, must also be sexist/racist/homophobic/islamaphobic/etc.

Why else would you stand in their way?

--Pretty sad state of affairs these days...

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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Whatsapp is from whatsapp inc, founded by two former yahoo emplyees, then facebook bought for 19 billions dollar. Very different from "being from facebook". You can probably trust whatsapp end to end encryption as much as you can trust facebook to protect your privacy [1][2]. [1]: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/13/whatsapp-security-make-thi... [2]: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-firm-allegedly-selling-spy-...

I'm aware Facebook bought WhatsApp. I don't think that changes matters much though. WhatsApp is one of the "private channels" that Facebook Inc owns, and in Zuckerberg's manifesto [1] you can read: "We are strong advocates of encryption and have built it into the largest messaging platforms in the world -- WhatsApp and Messenger." My point is that "end-to-end encryption in private channels" and "using AI to analyze d…

Who's to say that they aren't purposefully using encryption that they've made breakable so they can read the messages while making it difficult for anyone else to do so (other than the intended recipient?)

Historically speaking, Zuckerberg isn't trustworthy. The "Stupid fucks" comment from long ago should've been the first indicator of his shady character.

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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Im sick and tired of facebook. Yesterday I shared a picture from Syria depicting a homosexual being executed by being thrown off a building - In a political discussion, of course this gets censored within hours. Meanwhile there is groups where this picture also appears, albeit in a another context that actually encourages this type of punishment, and it gets to stay on facebook.

Did you read Zuckerberg's letter yesterday? I wrote a response that didn't go over super well here but comparing how Facebook is an idealistic experiment versus capitalistic exercise is enlightening. Facebook can truly heal the world! Well, if it doesn't help destroy it first...

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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It doesn't seem like they are actually targetting "extremists" since islamist sharia groups get to stay on facebook while all groups opposing such a movement gets shutdown instantly.

There is a difference between sharia groups and extremists. They are not at all the same. One group ponders on the implifications and simplifications of rules, and how they can follow it with ease. While extremists try to take the most painful interpretation of rules and use demagogue speech to enforce it.

Wierd how Sharia is not extremism as it encourages death for apostacy among other harsh rules...

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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Actually,the really creepy thing about Amazon is that if I use their iPhone app to browse for stuff I get ads on my Facebook account for the stuff I searched. Mind you, I am near tinfoil-level conscious of "cross contamination". I use Firefox on iOS for Facebook, and I never use it for any other browsing other than FB. My name is not my real name on FB, and it's written in a non-latin alphabet. I never discuss produc…

Facebook isn't targeting you, Amazon is. Amazon is targeting you on Facebook for things you just browsed on Amazon's app. If you're logged in during your browsing, Amazon knows who you are. If you're not logged in, they presumably have enough heuristics to estimate who you are (based on previous logins from the device). I don't know about their current programmatic bidding capabilities, but even on their Facebook's n…

Thanks for that link. It says Amazon has my contact info, but I'm not sure what they could have that ties my Amazon identity to my Facebook identity. I use a different email, different name, no phone number, no address on FB... I don't get it. It would be good if FB said what info they have.

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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If Gmail reads private emails to target ads [1], why would people think that Facebook isn't doing the same thing? Also many companies (including Facebook) have agreed to share hashes and cooperate to "remove extremist content from their websites" [2]. It would be naive to think that they are excluding private messages from their searches. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/15/gmail-sca... [2] http://…

I forgot that google did that, but facebook was just in your face with it. I was talking to a friend on facebook about some ice climbing and if it was ok for a beginner, and very shortly after I saw ads on my facebook for ice climbing lessons. With google the worst I see if I search for something sometimes I see ads for those.

Seems like the ice climbing lesson ads were very relevant and something you might actually be interested in?

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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> So the trending news section went from left leaning legitimate news stories under human editors to a bunch of spam. Geex, let me guess. You are left leaning too! People like me think mainstream media promotes the most fake news. So it's dangerous to censor any news, being that Truth is a hot topic these days. Disagree? I have plenty of evidence... http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1487334551064.jpg http://i.4cdn.org/pol/148733…

i'll take the bait i guess.

your images:

1. side by side your images might convince someone unwilling to give it a moment of deeper thought. in actuality, if you look into the articles, maddow's problem with Pat Smith's statements are that they were explicitly partisan and explicitly against the findings of the congressional committees investigating benghazi, including:

>“She deserves to be in stripes,” [Pat] Smith said of Clinton…. “I personally blame Hillary Clinton for the death of my son,” Smith said while fighting back tears.

It seems her biggest problem was that the GOP continues to bring up Benghazi, despite several congressional committees finding no evidence of wrongdoing.

I didnt pay attention much to benghazi, but your image elicits a much stronger sentiment of partisanship than exists between the two articles.

2. hillary wore white, melanie wore white. Two completely different authors took something different away from this, and wrote articles reflecting their opinions of the outfits. Both articles are from 'Style' or 'Fashion' writers and are in the appropriate category for that topic, neither appear to have been advertised as news of any kind. To claim this as an example of 'fake news' is plainly dishonest.

3. a tweet from AP's FactCheck service they were doing during the debates (no indication of how factual the statement was regarded in the screenshot) investigating Trumps statement that Assad is fighting ISIS. The other image is a tweet from AP quoting Assad a few weeks earlier saying he had taken Palmyra from ISIS. If you look at the AP fact check article, they rate Trumps statement as Partially True, noting:

> His overstretched military is mainly focused on combating Syrian opposition groups, some of which are supported by the United States. Assad does use air power against IS-held areas

4. An image of the wall street journal with two different headlines, claiming that the differing headlines were a result of buying them in 'different markets'

Newspapers often print update versions of their papers as events evolve. in this case, the headline 'Trump Softens His Tone' was an earlier edition of the paper, printed after Trumps visit with the Mexican President, but before Trumps return to the US and reaction to the Mexican President's Tweets that they will not pay for the wall; at which point Trump got tougher as a reaction to the tweets - no longer having a softened tone, the WSJ rightly updated the headline to better reflect the current reality of Trumps position.

5.I dont even know what this one is, its a bunch of pictures of the DailyMail and the NYPost, two notorious conspiracy rags - again completely dishonest to use something like this to paint real news sources as dishonest. The pictures are from Bush/Saddam goings on so they must be at least a decade old. (wouldnt it be trivial to find more modern examples of these two magazines lying?)

6. This is just meaningless screenshots with text that implies that the IC telling us that they have evidence of russia hacking the presidential election is equivalent to congress telling us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. There is no attempt to provide any evidence for this claim, but there is a quote from a Russian Foreign Affairs representative saying that Russia is sick of these claims that they interfered with the lection - very convincing.

7. This, again, simply makes the assertion that the media has lied without providing evidence of any kind. the text says:

>The Mainstream Media has been caught Lying to protect the government, lying about their sources credentials, lying to start foreign wars, and lying to start domestic wars. But please, tell me more about how bad 'Fake News' on the internet is.

Is this really it? This is the alt-rights argument that AP, Reuters, CNN, MSNBc, et al are fake news? because someone wrote it in meme font over an image?

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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I'm not entirely surprised that Facebook does this. After all, Facebook is also the company that not only does the same as Google when it comes to targeting you with ads, but also sells data about you to other companies. More reasons not to trust or use Facebook for me at least :)

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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There is a difference between sharia groups and extremists. They are not at all the same. One group ponders on the implifications and simplifications of rules, and how they can follow it with ease. While extremists try to take the most painful interpretation of rules and use demagogue speech to enforce it.

Wierd how Sharia is not extremism as it encourages death for apostacy among other harsh rules...

Doesn't the bible? Exodus 35:2 " For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."

Most Christians will interpret this in an enlightened way, either death meaning "spiritual death" or some other explanation. However if you are a biblical literalist, I mean the bible encourages death for nonbelievers, among other troubling stuff.

Re: Zuckerberg removed a line about monitoring private messages from his manifesto

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Facebook isn't targeting you, Amazon is. Amazon is targeting you on Facebook for things you just browsed on Amazon's app. If you're logged in during your browsing, Amazon knows who you are. If you're not logged in, they presumably have enough heuristics to estimate who you are (based on previous logins from the device). I don't know about their current programmatic bidding capabilities, but even on their Facebook's n…

Thanks for that link. It says Amazon has my contact info, but I'm not sure what they could have that ties my Amazon identity to my Facebook identity. I use a different email, different name, no phone number, no address on FB... I don't get it. It would be good if FB said what info they have.

I agree that it'd be nice to know which data point was used for audience building.

   > I use a different email, different name, no phone number, no address on FB... I don't get it.
Not sure if phone number can be used for audience targeting (it's not available to self-service, normal advertisers iirc). But wanted to clarify this part. Just because you haven't added it in no way means that Facebook doesn't have your phone number. Or your alternate name. Or your different email address. With the way that the Facebook app syncs to most people's phones, all it'd take is one person associating your Facebook account with their phone contact of you for Facebook to start associating those alternative contact/data points with your Facebook profile.
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