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No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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post #19

It's worth keeping in mind that this is a company of 40 people. Half the size of most primitive hunter-gatherer tribes which had no formal organization whatsoever. At sizes that small, everyone knows each other, everyone knows what everyone else is doing, and people can make decisions through consensus after a round of informal discussions. The problems only start once the "tribe" grows beyond 150. That's when the nu…

I assume that your number of 150 comes from Robin Dunbar.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

#33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ActUp used to give managerial lessons for leftist organizations. Of the materials I saw, one of the things they used to teach was that a truly flat organization results in informal hierarchies developing, by the people most capable and/or passionate (because they're motivated by the issue primarily). But then these people are most likely to burn out, because without formal recognition of the power they need to achiev…

Do you have any links? I'd love to read more. How did they suggest dealing with changes over time, as members join and leave or shift roles as the organisation changes?

Probably! But I don't know of em. I helped build a movement based organization a few years ago, someone saw us falling into the same trap, was around during the time of ActUp, and gave me a bunch of papers describing what I just restated above to help. From my own experience, if you're building an organization around something people really care about, there is always an excess of people, so the constant shifting doesn't really matter too much.

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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post #19

It's worth keeping in mind that this is a company of 40 people. Half the size of most primitive hunter-gatherer tribes which had no formal organization whatsoever. At sizes that small, everyone knows each other, everyone knows what everyone else is doing, and people can make decisions through consensus after a round of informal discussions. The problems only start once the "tribe" grows beyond 150. That's when the nu…

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Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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I get the impression that service companies like Crisp can get away with this kind of org structure in a way that product companies cannot. If you are simply executing on consulting contracts, you can afford to act more like a collection of freelancers who share a space. When doctors do this, it's called a "group practice".

> you can afford to act more like a collection of freelancers who share a space

In fact, that seems closer to the actual situation than the article implied. From http://dna.crisp.se/docs/index.html :

> None of the 30+ consultants are actually employed by Crisp (although we do have a few employed office staff).

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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post #19

It's worth keeping in mind that this is a company of 40 people. Half the size of most primitive hunter-gatherer tribes which had no formal organization whatsoever. At sizes that small, everyone knows each other, everyone knows what everyone else is doing, and people can make decisions through consensus after a round of informal discussions. The problems only start once the "tribe" grows beyond 150. That's when the nu…

"That's when the number of people involved is too great for the human brain to process the entire social network. Hence why formal organisations and hierarchy are now needed."

Or innovate on a divisional or matrix-style organization where it's a series of independent units or teams of teams. Not too different from how we make complex programs integrate well. Decomposing them properly with complexity in the right spots lets the integration or supervisory part be small and simple. Could be something to apply to real-world organizations there.

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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This BBC article is terrible and manipulates the reader via the omission of critical facts. If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you first read the company's recruitment webpage[1] and specifically their following sentence:

- "It also means that there is no guaranteed salary. The only thing we guarantee is that you will have to pay a flat fee every month plus one-tenth of what you bill."

After making a mental note of that, go read the BBC piece. You'll notice how empty that article actually is. For example, the following sentence becomes meaningless:

- "Ultimately, the firm hopes that its way of working could inspire other companies to emulate the "Crisp DNA"."

What "DNA" of Crisp exactly? The DNA of having employees pay the company to work instead of the other way around?!? Of course, the BBC article wants you to think "DNA" as in "no CEO" instead of "workers paying a rent".

There's nothing wrong with that model (as another commenter mentioned doctors paying into a "group practice" for shared expenses such as an office and billing staff.)

However, leaving that fee structure out is incompetent journalism. If workers are the ones paying the company, it's easier for them to agree not to have a CEO manage them.

[1] Google's English translation of: https://www.crisp.se/om-crisp/jobba-pa-crisp

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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Yes, similar things have been tried before. See e.g. Ricardo Semler's Maverick! book (1993). Sounds interesting and seems to have worked well for them (judging from the book). https://signalvnoise.com/posts/945-excerpts-from-ricardo-sem...

They went from $1 million or so to over $100 million during a time of hyperinflation and otherwise terrible economy. There's the objective evidence the methods produce results. Now just need to start tweaking the model in various ways applied to other companies to see which variables had what effects. I've seen companies get very far just minimizing management/executives, treating employees respectfully, letting them make most improvements, and giving above-average compensation.

Re: No CEO: A Swedish company where nobody is in charge

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post #4

Someone is always in charge. They've just decided not to write down the org chart on paper, is all.

They've written it down -- it's the board for big things and "shared among other employees" for others. It actually sounds pretty practical to me. As people become more responsible and self-regulating, there's less need for a single person to be in charge in a hierarchical sense. > The staff decided that many of the chief executive's responsibilities overlapped with those of the board, while other roles could be shar…

They've written it down in more detail than "shared responsibilities" too. It's a pool of self-employed freelancers handling projects in their own way paying fees/commission to a holding company with dedicated admin/sales responsibilities and major decisions made by a board or by vote. Paid projects people don't want to handle themselves go to the first person to indicate interest unless the interested parties agree otherwise. It sounds more like a non-profit, elected-board, closed-shop Uber than "shared responsibility".

Needless to say, this model is not going to work quite so well with every type of creative process and personnel.

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