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“Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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I don't understand the dangers of BSD style licenses, can you expand on that a bit please?

The danger is that it can return to closed source at any time.

Only the copyright holder can turn a FOSS project non-FOSS. This is true even for the strictest of copyleft licenses (and in fact has happened before).

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Exactly. This sort of switch seems for me also a good way to increase the amount of bugs by a large scale. It may only work for very specific hardware I think.

Job security and Apple-ish custom OS may long-term reduce support burden because Linux is like OpenSSL: a giant refrigerator, stove, oven, typewriter, glass kiln, laundromat kitchen-sink. It will take a very long time to reinvent the wheel and also deliver a PG "quantum of improvement," but there are plenty of Alphabet employees to do it. Also, similar Apple, it's an OS they control so there's less rejection / ignorn…

You grossly overestimate Googles ability to support an OS on multiple platforms. Do you remember the why Samsung Galaxy Nexus was abandoned?

Apple supports iOS on two platforms (32-bit and 64-bit A-series). Microsoft who has been in the OS business much longer than than Google only have resources to support Windows 10 Mobile on a handful of carefully chosen Qualcomm chips.

So basically the only way this could work is if Google would create their own SoC and mandate Android vendors to only use that SoC. I don't think Samsung would like that too much.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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It was pretty obvious for some time, but it's good that the dots are connected and documented, for some kind of proof. Fuchsia OS will be huge, even if it's hidden in the background. Samsung has its Tizen OS (previously Bada) for 6 years as alternative ready. If anything happens with Android that Samsung doesn't like the could ship new devices simply with Tizen and kiss Google good bye. It allowed them to get better…

Have you used Tizen at all? How do you like it, if so?

The first iteration was not very impressive, but has since steadily improved.

If I had to choose between Android+Fuchsia and Tizen+Linux I might as well give Tizen a try. I am very impressed by their new watch, which IIRC runs Tizen.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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You posted a link to a protected tweet that nobody can read with no summary or context.

It's not protected, I could read it and I don't even have a twitter account. > @chrismckillop: Slow news week? http://www.cnet.com/videos/googles-mysterious-new-project-fu... … #Fuchsia > @gavkar: @chrismckillop heard Travis was involved. Is the purple in pink + purple the purple we know? > @chrismckillop: @gavkar Yes and Yes (in spirit). The Pink part is also a reference to the Taligent project. You should come help…

and what does this prove, exactly?

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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I find it hard to believe that 8+ years of APIs and OS level code would be abandoned just like that, especially given the scale of Android. If this ever happens, it would probably be an extremely slow, well thought out (hopefully), well documented (also hopefully) rollout.

They've already replaced Dalvik with ART for bytecode and it was mostly transparent from what I understood. But popping up with a completely new platform API without any backwards compatibility would be very bold and risky. There would have to be a good compatibility story there. Also there is talk in the article about a POSIX layer. Now that's easier said than done. But it is Google we are talking about so they cert…

They did not. ART is here on-device architecture-specific and version-specific; Dalvik bytecode is still the portable bytecode used in all APKs. If they had replaced it, we wouldn't still be dealing with the 65k methods limit for example.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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It's not protected, I could read it and I don't even have a twitter account. > @chrismckillop: Slow news week? http://www.cnet.com/videos/googles-mysterious-new-project-fu... … #Fuchsia > @gavkar: @chrismckillop heard Travis was involved. Is the purple in pink + purple the purple we know? > @chrismckillop: @gavkar Yes and Yes (in spirit). The Pink part is also a reference to the Taligent project. You should come help…

and what does this prove, exactly?

It proves that the tweet was not protected?

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Job security and Apple-ish custom OS may long-term reduce support burden because Linux is like OpenSSL: a giant refrigerator, stove, oven, typewriter, glass kiln, laundromat kitchen-sink. It will take a very long time to reinvent the wheel and also deliver a PG "quantum of improvement," but there are plenty of Alphabet employees to do it. Also, similar Apple, it's an OS they control so there's less rejection / ignorn…

You grossly overestimate Googles ability to support an OS on multiple platforms. Do you remember the why Samsung Galaxy Nexus was abandoned? Apple supports iOS on two platforms (32-bit and 64-bit A-series). Microsoft who has been in the OS business much longer than than Google only have resources to support Windows 10 Mobile on a handful of carefully chosen Qualcomm chips. So basically the only way this could work is…

That's a given. Google also needs to control the hw platform to be successful. Open platform equals shoddy service/product because it would require adding a Microsoft-sized operation.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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You grossly overestimate Googles ability to support an OS on multiple platforms. Do you remember the why Samsung Galaxy Nexus was abandoned? Apple supports iOS on two platforms (32-bit and 64-bit A-series). Microsoft who has been in the OS business much longer than than Google only have resources to support Windows 10 Mobile on a handful of carefully chosen Qualcomm chips. So basically the only way this could work is…

That's a given. Google also needs to control the hw platform to be successful. Open platform equals shoddy service/product because it would require adding a Microsoft-sized operation.

Allow me to disagree. Open platform works great when people collaborate.

Google has not collaborated with the Linux community.

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