Is there any action we can take against this bill? (I live in the NL)
Bits of Freedom (https://bof.nl) was working really hard on fighting this bill.
Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill
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#12What is happening there while I'm away?! It seems to get crazier and crazier with every message I hear. I mean, not US level crazy, but the country I used as an example of how it should be done is gone.
Then you should also know that nobody ever trusted the politics since 2000. We should've expected this to happen, to be honest. Looks like we are still okay with their way of representing us.
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#13> The new law will significantly broaden the agencies’ powers to include bulk data collection.
It's not clear to me what they actually are given power to do. Are they given free rein to collect anything they can get their hands on? Anything that crosses the national border? Are they allowed to spy on for example a whole city to find the communications of a suspect?
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#14It's kind of odd that there's no Dutch version of this article (yet)... That said, I'm glad they're standing up for us.
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#15What is happening there while I'm away?! It seems to get crazier and crazier with every message I hear. I mean, not US level crazy, but the country I used as an example of how it should be done is gone.
Then you should also know that nobody ever trusted the politics since 2000. We should've expected this to happen, to be honest. Looks like we are still okay with their way of representing us.
NL (I am Dutch, not living in NL) is and has been doing very well; I am, from a distance, unsure what people are nagging about. Chances are any change will be for the worse. Luckily we are very bad at change but I do see too much of it (in the press) and none of that makes me proud...
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#16As far as I understand Wikipedia there is no court comparable to the German Federal Constitutional Court, which could block such a law if it violated the Dutch constitution. Is that correct?
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#17For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ
Also https://www.privacystemwijzer.nl/ to figure out if your views about privacy align with the views of the parties. Stay informed people!
Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.
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#18For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ
> privacy and internet freedom: goo.gl
Is a little ironic.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also https://www.privacystemwijzer.nl/ to figure out if your views about privacy align with the views of the parties. Stay informed people!
Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.
The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything.
I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party, etc. just forces you to ignore anyone who doesn't identify as an animal lover, as 50+ or as a pirate (or internet freedom fighter).
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#20Is there any action we can take against this bill? (I live in the NL)
It's a young initiative and its focus thus far has mainly been on other issues, but nonetheless, you may want to reach out to Tech Solidarity NL to propose or coordinate actions. https://www.techsolidarity.nl
You are pushing a anti-Trump / Wilders initiative here in response to overreach of the (current) establishment?
Well ...