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I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by Kluny »

MaysonL wrote: post #108
Kluny wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but what do they send you?

Here are the subject lines, with brief description. Supreme Court News [Getting ready to nominate] Supreme Court Update [Gorsuch chosen] A Vote for America's Future [from VP Pence about his DeVos vote] Major Economic Update [jobs bragging] President Trump's Weekly Address [solicitin FB & Twitter follows, petition signing, watch his speech]

Not sure how I feel about that. It sounds fucked up, like propaganda, but it can be interpreted positively as well. They're keeping in touch with the electorate and keeping them informed. Dunno.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by dredmorbius »

drusepth wrote: post #92
dredmorbius wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is a right afforded others. Your particular risk model may or may not include CBP, both others' might. Immigration lawyers (for whom attorney-client privilege should hold), immigration NGO workers (for whom it almost certainly doesn't), journalists, asylees, among others. The protections which apply to you also apply to them, and aren't granted conditionally. Which is why, if you believe in civil liberties, l…

I mean, this whole thing sucks, but I can't think of any apps that I'd actually go through the inconvenience of uninstalling just so someone at border patrol can't see them, including "treasure troves" like Gmail/Drive. I'll just unlock my phone, let them look for whatever they're looking for, and carry on with my life. It's an invasion of privacy (to what extent is debatable, but I'd rather not make a stance there),…

The privacy you're divulging is far more than your own:

https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by uremog »

schoen wrote: post #26

This article says "It’s totally legal for a US Customs and Border Patrol officer to ask you to unlock your phone and hand it over to them. And they can detain you indefinitely if you don’t. Even if you’re a American citizen. [...] Barring the use of “excessive force,” agents can do whatever they want to you." and "[I]t’s illegal in most countries to profile individual travelers" I don't think any of these things is a…

But whether it's legal or not, a traveler has no power over a border agent. By the time you've gotten any help, whatever your itinerary was is already wrecked.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by gnopgnip »

There is a lot of misinformation and jumping to conclusions in the article. The US border is not outside of US jurisdiction. A search warrant is not needed to search either a citizen or non citizen from entering the US. They can take your phone, but they cannot deny entry to a US citizen for refusing to unlock a phone. They can deny entry to a non US citizen for any reason at all, including failing to unlock a phone or provide a password.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by xiaoma »

achamayou wrote: post #100
xiaoma wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has has their citizens to unlock devices and provide encryption keys upon demand for years, it's not limited to airports and they're not allowed to tell anyone it happened.

Do you have a source for that? I've never heard of it.

Try Google:

https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uk%20forced%20to...

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by switchbak »

dredmorbius wrote: post #112
drusepth wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this whole thing sucks, but I can't think of any apps that I'd actually go through the inconvenience of uninstalling just so someone at border patrol can't see them, including "treasure troves" like Gmail/Drive. I'll just unlock my phone, let them look for whatever they're looking for, and carry on with my life. It's an invasion of privacy (to what extent is debatable, but I'd rather not make a stance there),…

The privacy you're divulging is far more than your own: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw

Very interesting read. Shocking how G+ moves from "hey, you don't need to manage 100 logins" to "Hey shady people, come siphon data from people that don't understand privacy".

The Android ecosystem had already gone down that rabbit hole years ago. I think we're at the stage where it doesn't seem like a commercial identity provider is going to look out for our privacy at all. Definitely a challenging space, but one where we can wrestle back a lot of privacy we've lost.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by jankotek »

dredmorbius wrote: post #46
jankotek wrote: post #7

> But before we do, take a moment to think about all the apps you have on your phone. Email? Facebook? Dropbox? Your browser? Signal? The history of everything you’ve ever done — everything you’ve ever searched, and everything you’ve ever said to anyone — is right there in those apps. If you personally do not care about your privacy, why should someone else care?

Privacy is a right afforded others. Your particular risk model may or may not include CBP, both others' might. Immigration lawyers (for whom attorney-client privilege should hold), immigration NGO workers (for whom it almost certainly doesn't), journalists, asylees, among others. The protections which apply to you also apply to them, and aren't granted conditionally. Which is why, if you believe in civil liberties, l…

The problem here is you already gave access to your 'private' data to dozens private companies and whomever they forward it.
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