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It's a terrible name, it also has the property that stupidly configured web filters could filter it due to string matching the first part of the word. It also makes your employees look stupid when they tell their landlords, bank accounts, dates that they work at Cockroach Labs. Good luck explaining that you aren't an exterminator.
what's wrong with being an exterminator?
CockroachDB beta-20161013
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Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#122May I suggest renaming the thing already? 90% of the business world can't touch it with a name like that. How about Duradero ... Spanish for durable. The name doesn't seem to be taken by any other database type software
CockroachDB accurately and immediately conveys meaning. It'll survive when nuclear war happens just like a cockroach. And I might work in the games industry but I would never have a hard time selling this. I would basically force them to use it and explain the benefits.
If your company wont adopt technology because it uses a bug as it's name then your company has much greater problems than technology adoption.
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#123From my perspective I'm glad something that's trying to do this is coming into existence. a couple years ago I was given the arduous task of ensuring that we never lost data. One of the requirements was that: At any time, any server can (and will) fail.. if you acknowledge that you have data then you MUST never lose it.
You cannot imagine how many database solutions that ruled out. Including basically _all_ noSQL data stores.
We settled on postgresql, because, despite going into toast tables and having to implement sharding on top- it was not only the most sane it could be wrangled into basically doing the right thing in regards to fsyncing and ensuring data wasn't in VFS.
So, Kudos to these guys, who, in a world of people who don't give a shit about consistency (except eventual consistency) are actually trying to further it.
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#124CockroachDB might be the worst product name I've come across. I get it; cockroaches are extremely hardy, but they're also much more strongly associated with uncleanliness and disease. EDIT: Also, cockroaches are BUGS! Bugs cause problems in computer systems.
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#125May I suggest renaming the thing already? 90% of the business world can't touch it with a name like that. How about Duradero ... Spanish for durable. The name doesn't seem to be taken by any other database type software
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#126I wish everyone would stop bikeshedding the damn name. From my perspective I'm glad something that's trying to do this is coming into existence. a couple years ago I was given the arduous task of ensuring that we never lost data. One of the requirements was that: At any time, any server can (and will) fail.. if you acknowledge that you have data then you MUST never lose it. You cannot imagine how many database soluti…
That aside why the hell do I want to thing of cockroaches day in and day out when I am using their product? Seriously, is this someone's idea of a bad joke?
The name has got to go.
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Ah yes, let's not forget the solid branding behind some of Adobe's work: https://pig.apache.org/ https://hive.apache.org/ (Look at the anguish in this creature's face) http://hadoop.apache.org/
Wait, is hive supposed to look like some elephant-bee hybrid?
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#128Could the name actually slow the project's momentum? I only recently read some cool things about CDB and wondered if I could have been subconsciously skipping articles about it for deep seeded reasons like http://bbc.com/future/story/20140918-the-reality-about-roach... Of course anything good may eventually rise to success on its merits, but in case I'm not the only one with a subconscious aversion maybe the info bel…
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#129May I suggest renaming the thing already? 90% of the business world can't touch it with a name like that. How about Duradero ... Spanish for durable. The name doesn't seem to be taken by any other database type software
I'm going to be the dissenting voice here and say: Use whatever name you like as long as it isn't something like cuntbagDB. CockroachDB accurately and immediately conveys meaning. It'll survive when nuclear war happens just like a cockroach. And I might work in the games industry but I would never have a hard time selling this. I would basically force them to use it and explain the benefits. If your company wont adop…
Average project, some 60 year old VP signing off on 100k of custom software with 8 pages of lawyer speak contracts is NOT going to allow "his" project to run off of "cockroach database". VP's/CEO's like to take personal ownership of projects they feel will go well, and ones done with us usually do. None of these people want ANY chance of their project getting criticized internally, so nobody will use CockroachDb. It's just not going to happen. Having successful projects is an easy way for these people to gather promotions and respect. Having any part of it do with "cockroach" could result in the whole project being an embarrassment.
Imagine the database goes down one day. One of their low level staff calls us(we have ongoing support contract). Problem gets rapidly escalated to development. One of our lead developers replies to the email thread, that by now has a third of the clients' company on it. "Yeah see the problem was the cockroach database that wasn't supposed to go down needed to be restarted" . Most of the staff think we're joking. Guarantee this becomes a big pun around their office, every time anything breaks in the app they say "maybe the cockroaches on the back end died again".
It's made worse by the fact that issues in software systems are commonly called "bugs". Well, our system doesn't have general bugs anymore, it has "cockroaches". Do you think this is an unlikely scenario? Because it's not. Besides the word "cockroach" this is exactly how urgent issues tend to be reported and fixed. Replace "cockroach" with "Microsoft" and I've probably violated my NDA. After that incident, whoever championed the project, probably our strongest ally in the company, resents us for making such a stupid mistake that resulted in his project becoming a joke. Maybe we aren't as great of a dev shop as he once thought? Maybe it's better to do open bidding next time so whoever wins he can't be blamed directly for what happens.
You could say their company culture sucks, maybe it does? But that doesn't change that I can't use it on any client projects because of the chance we'll lose hundreds of thousands over a stupid name.
There's plenty of other names that convey meaning but don't make lawyers nervous. Your attitude of "oh, well if you can't use it your company culture sucks" is EXACTLY why nobody will rename it and why corporate american won't touch it. Nobody cares about how cool it is to be edgy when millions of dollars are on the line.
If you plan on forcing clients to use it you might as well hold a going away party for any of your clients with more than 5M revenue.
Re: CockroachDB beta-20161013
#130I wish everyone would stop bikeshedding the damn name. From my perspective I'm glad something that's trying to do this is coming into existence. a couple years ago I was given the arduous task of ensuring that we never lost data. One of the requirements was that: At any time, any server can (and will) fail.. if you acknowledge that you have data then you MUST never lose it. You cannot imagine how many database soluti…
It's not bikeshedding. Who the fuck wants to work for a company called Cockroach Labs? Seriously, sure your tech friends and recruiters might appreciate it on your resume but anyone outside of tech? Applying for an apartment, mortgage, car, lol good luck. And also not too sure that anyone outside the immediate tech/startup nerd scene would appreciate it other. That aside why the hell do I want to thing of cockroaches…
Honestly there are companies with _much_ worse names in active use like "Dick & Daughters"[0] or "Ismail ANUS"[1] who even got an appointment to the queen.
Seriously, it's bikeshedding, and the point of the DB is that you don't think about it all day.
I also don't think of women called Cassandra when I use the database of the same name. Bikeshedding. Seriously.
[0] https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08610385
[1] https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/5-sFnEsibrDnUR2-...