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I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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I'm thinking not bringing the phone or deleting all apps before landing won't help much if they ask you to login into your accounts on a computer (or stay detained for hours if you refuse or claim that you don't use facebook/email, your pick).

That's what he meant by "they can't know if you have alternative accounts". Have an official account and unofficial ones.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

Why would it be illegal? They told you to put in your password, and you put in one of your passwords. If they want to fuck with technology and they're too stupid to understand it, that's their loss.

> Why would it be illegal?

Well, most likely because things like "obstruction of justice" are crimes.

I don't really get the notion that the law works like Airbud, where the rules have to be specific and anything not banned is permitted. It's totally possible to criminalize subjective things like "trying to trick us" which apply even if the means used are novel and not banned.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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post #43

I'm thinking not bringing the phone or deleting all apps before landing won't help much if they ask you to login into your accounts on a computer (or stay detained for hours if you refuse or claim that you don't use facebook/email, your pick).

This is a whole other level though, because at that point you're no longer talking about inspecting physical property, and I think this kind of situation would be more precarious and much more likely to set unfavourable precedent should the affected traveler decide to sue.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

#65

I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

I was thinking this exact thing. The new "Airplane Mode", if you will.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Can someone clarify how if I can be compelled to unlock my password protected phone, they can't do the same with my social media, email, and other accounts? I feel like this author advocates for a stop-gap that may not even help in the long-run.

This is addressed a bit in the article. You can just tell them "I don't have a Facebook account", and there's really no easy way for them to verify this. If you're extra paranoid, you can create secondary accounts without much info and innocent posts/messages. There's no way for them to know you're logging into your border patrol FB account and not your "real" account.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it be illegal? They told you to put in your password, and you put in one of your passwords. If they want to fuck with technology and they're too stupid to understand it, that's their loss.

They aren't all too stupid to understand it, which would be why it would eventually be illegal to use such technology to deceive border patrol or other agents of the lawful government.

It's already to lie to border agents (And unlocking only one of your hidden partitions, when requested to, is a lie.)

Whether or not they will find out about your lie is a different question.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can be damn sure the government has a list of possible email addresses associated to individuals. things the government knows, and things that a CBP agent knows, are not the same thing. They NSA doesn't just provide their database to all the hundreds of thousands of front-line law enforcement agents. If you're being specifically targeted for some reason, enforcement agencies might be provided with a history of y…

Actually, you're wrong. Just recently Obama opened up data sharing between the NSA, FBI, CIA and hundreds of other agencies. Source: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-a...

When you say parent is wrong, you're saying that the 100k border patrol grunts can access NSA data easily, which is not the case. So you are the wrong one.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

In the Android world there exists a system called MultiROM, it allows you to have multiple ROMs installed on your phone with separate data partitions. You could theoretically load one ROM up with all your personal data (and have it encrypted) then have another for customs usage, just boot it up before you reach the agent. Remember to load it with plausible data to prevent any suspicions and you should be good to go.…

But if they use standardised tools those would probably have the capability of dumping your entire flash since someone would want to do so.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can be damn sure the government has a list of possible email addresses associated to individuals. things the government knows, and things that a CBP agent knows, are not the same thing. They NSA doesn't just provide their database to all the hundreds of thousands of front-line law enforcement agents. If you're being specifically targeted for some reason, enforcement agencies might be provided with a history of y…

Actually, you're wrong. Just recently Obama opened up data sharing between the NSA, FBI, CIA and hundreds of other agencies. Source: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-a...

That doesn't at all address whether that specific bit of information is exposed. I bet it's not, it's ripe for abuse and could be a PR problem.
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