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I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by kylec »

jimmies wrote: post #27
AlexB138 wrote: post #13

I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

It's called deniable encryption ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption ), and there are several software packages that can utilize it.

A big flaw of deniable encryption software is that it's only used by people who use the deniable part, so its use strongly suggests the existence of such hidden data. Whether or not that's sufficient to detain someone and demand that they produce the additional password will vary depending on various jurisdictions' laws, but I personally wouldn't tempt fate with it.

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Post by MaysonL »

koolba wrote: post #4

From the article (emphasis mine): > This may upset Customs and Border Patrol agents, who are probably smart enough to realize that 85% of Americans now have smart phones, and probably 100% of the Americans who travel internationally have smart phones. They may choose to detain you anyway, and force you to give them passwords to various accounts manually. But there’s no easy way for them to know which services you use…

> You can be damn sure the government has a list of possible email addresses

Hell, I've already gotten more email from the current administration than I ever got from Obama, Clinton & Sanders combined, and I'm a confirmed lefty.

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Post by INTPenis »

marcuskaz wrote: post #5

You most likely will need your phone when you're traveling, an easier solution is to remove all apps and data on the phone and then reinstall when you get to where you want.

My thought was actually to shut it off and pack it in my luggage so it's not with me through security. I won't see it until I reach the baggage claim.

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Post by mertevinski »

donald123 wrote: post #17
Mahn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always claim that you don't know the password because you use an offline password manager that you don't have with you. Also, use 2 factor authentication of course.

One can refuse whatever way they want, but he/she can be detained and the device forfeited. And for non-citizens, they can be denied entry to US.

It is so easy for the 'bad guys' to carry a burner phone with fake google, Facebook, twitter, etc, accounts and log into them when requested. That way they don't have to refuse anything and there is nothing suspicious. This policy harms law abiding citizens and travelers but is completely ineffective when it comes to stopping criminals.

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Post by baddox »

evo_9 wrote: post #33

Wouldn't it be equally weird to not have a phone on you on a flight or an international flight? Meaning merely suggesting that you don't have a phone with you I think would cause more/similar trouble.

Ideally you would have a separate phone that isn't logged into any of your important accounts.

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Post by goda90 »

INTPenis wrote: post #34
marcuskaz wrote: post #5

You most likely will need your phone when you're traveling, an easier solution is to remove all apps and data on the phone and then reinstall when you get to where you want.

My thought was actually to shut it off and pack it in my luggage so it's not with me through security. I won't see it until I reach the baggage claim.

Customs inspect checked luggage.

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Post by AlexB138 »

jimmies wrote: post #27
AlexB138 wrote: post #13

I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

It's called deniable encryption ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption ), and there are several software packages that can utilize it.

As usual, others are far ahead of me. Thanks for the citation!

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Post by jdbernard »

wry_discontent wrote: post #25
AlexB138 wrote: post #13

I wonder how possible it would be to create a jailed environment on Android or iOS that can not access any of the data on your phone and could be entered by putting in a false password. That would allow you to enter your "password" on-demand and then only present a jailed process to those seeking to violate your privacy. It could appear to be a full experience, but not actually contain any personal data, or contain f…

Why would it be illegal? They told you to put in your password, and you put in one of your passwords. If they want to fuck with technology and they're too stupid to understand it, that's their loss.

They aren't all too stupid to understand it, which would be why it would eventually be illegal to use such technology to deceive border patrol or other agents of the lawful government.

Re: I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

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Post by myowncrapulence »

notatoad wrote: post #29
koolba wrote: post #4

From the article (emphasis mine): > This may upset Customs and Border Patrol agents, who are probably smart enough to realize that 85% of Americans now have smart phones, and probably 100% of the Americans who travel internationally have smart phones. They may choose to detain you anyway, and force you to give them passwords to various accounts manually. But there’s no easy way for them to know which services you use…

>You can be damn sure the government has a list of possible email addresses associated to individuals. things the government knows, and things that a CBP agent knows, are not the same thing. They NSA doesn't just provide their database to all the hundreds of thousands of front-line law enforcement agents. If you're being specifically targeted for some reason, enforcement agencies might be provided with a history of y…

Actually, you're wrong. Just recently Obama opened up data sharing between the NSA, FBI, CIA and hundreds of other agencies.

Source: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-a...

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