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Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

#171
Most of the posters here are being assholes, welcome to hn comments - the ego here is huge.

I have been in a similar situation, and here is my tip for you: recruiters are idiots. Seriously, most tech companies hire art history majors and such for recruiting high tech roles. It's not that they are bad people, but most recruiters are very bad at candidate selection.

Here's what I would do in your situation:

1. Find a job I really wanted (e.g. back-end python developer). 2. Strip out any non-python related material from your social media, websites, resume. 3. Build a hyper-focused buzzword dense resume. 4. Apply and act like a bit of an idiot until you get a job. Play the junior dev who only knows some basic python for a year or two than you are golden when it comes to getting other jobs / moving around.

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

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I can't tell why you were rejected, but I can offer you something to help bide the time: freelance work.

I was in a bit of a hole financially and getting a full time job would have killed my startup ambitions, so after failing to get any clients on sites like Upwork I applied to Toptal: https://www.toptal.com/#contract-just-respected-software-arc...

They screen their freelancers which means they've got fewer but higher quality workers. Your skills are similar to mine, so you should be fine to get in. Just don't give up, I failed the first time around but then I brushed up on my code solving abilities and got. Didn't take me a week to find my first client and I couldn't be happier with him or him with me.

I found an old HN discussion about Toptal after I got in, and realized it was mostly people screaming about not being able to get in, or considering themselves above solving code challenges. Just don't let that hold you back.

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That aside, I do have tips on your job hunt!

Right before I got into toptal, I began having conversations about employment through the HN hiring posts, but I had a better process than (I suspect) most.

1. I copied all the posts from Who's Hiring into a spreadsheet 2. through them all by hand and wrote a single paragraph about why I think I wanted to work for their company 3. I extracted email addresses into another field 4. I composed an email about how awesome I am 5. I combined all of these through a Mail Merge and sent out 10 emails a day, keeping track of them through Streak's pipelines.

I recommend this project. After this, I know I applied to exactly 53 companies (felt like millions) and received no replies from 27, and was rejected by 21 because of visa issues.

Streak's Career Search Pipelines are awesome. :)

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

#175

Tossing CVs down an HR portal (to nowhere) isn't a way to find jobs. You find jobs by knowing people . I'm sure there are some developer/designer meetups in Paris. Find one (or many) and start going. That doesn't mean sit in the back silently. You need to network. This doesn't have to be cheesy. Make small talk. Get to know them and their interests. Maybe you'll have the same favorite CSS framework. Talk about that t…

I disagree with this. I've been offered jobs through blind applications several times; in fact, I've taken (some of) said jobs. I am not a senior developer; I'm about the same age as the OP.

The trick is to understand the criteria used to weed out people who apply through these venues. All you need to do, in many cases, is get to the first stage of actual interviews and let your real skills drive from there. To do this, you have to present a resume, cover letter, etc. that align more or less exactly with what the job description requires.

HR will ignore a "generalist" resume that has some but not all of the relevant skills listed and a whole bunch of other, irrelevant stuff; they'll also discard personal statements/cover letters that don't seem specific. All that's required to stand out in these cases is some limited personalization for each company, matching up the skills they want to the ones you have.

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

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We all understand that it's often highly complex if not impossible for most devs to quantify an accomplishment. It's easy for some things to be quantified obviously - downloads, traction - though those aren't exclusive to engineering (could be marketing). Scalability numbers and measurable performance improvements are relatively common. So if you built something that is able to handle n requests maybe. The amount of…

I saw your website. It's great. I would advise networking and attending meetups, asking for referrals. Every job I have is mostly due to referrals. Someone putting a good word on behalf of you means a lot. Also don't fire and shoot. Target like a sniper.

Exactly. My first real job out of college was due to a referral. Girlfriend's stepdad put in a good word for me a a major engineering firm. I went to the interview open-house and realized quickly the people around me seemed much more accomplished and more knowledgeable about the company and the industry its in. I had some interviews later, they seemed to have gone ok, not awesome but not a disaster. Then the VP of engineering comes up to me and tells me how excited they were to have talked to me. This threw me because it all seemed way out of my league but I didn't see her approach anyone else except for a couple other candidates. I ended up getting an offer a month later. I knew my gf's stepdad definitely put in a good word for me, I just wasn't expecting it to help me that much.

If I tried to get an interview from this company through the job fair at my school, I would have most likely not even gotten a phone interview. The only thing, I haven't told any of my coworkers who referred me. I'm not totally sure how prepared I am for this work and I wouldn't want any poor performance to reflect back onto him.

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

#177

Best tips for you. - Never mention where you're from or where you live. They'll figure it out when they'll give you a call (discrimination is bigger than you think). People hire similar profiles and take a lot of unfair shortcuts. If I'm not "franco-american", I'll have one extra information that could potentially make up my mind if I have 1000 Resume to look at. You're different than me, I will have to go outside of…

Agreed, providing information regarding age and nationality works against you. I wouldn't mention "based in Paris" either.

The only point that may matter is if you have the legal ability to work in the US, and you can wait until they are interested to get into that. In fact, if you're an American citizen, use an American postal address -- it signals "you won't have to deal with immigration issues".

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

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Measuring accomplishments for OP isn't likely to be easy, but for more senior candidates that's the ideal situation. You're correct about generalizing duties and skills. Bullet points on resumes that talk about non-specific day-to-day responsibilities are mostly filler.

I agree that it's ideal to have numbers attached to accomplishments, but how many devs actually know those numbers? I've written code that's run literally millions of times, because it's deep in the core of some task execution code, that enables easier debugging of tasks, and I have no idea how much debugging time it's actually saved. I wrote a large part of a couple of important features in a product for the company…

This is a great illustrative example of why those numbers are informative - most developers are like you, and can't do that, but the reason is not in "CV writing" but in actual content of the work.

From what you say, it sounds like that whatever you did was driven by (initiated by, started because of) (a) technical need (b) order from above or (c) guessing. However, what people mean by "show the impact" is that they are looking for someone who has already done work mostly driven by their observations of business needs, their initiative to improve specific business results by technical means.

If you had no idea "how much revenue these features are going to help bring in or how many sales they'll generate" then you were performing a different role/function than e.g. a person who looked at a need to increase sales (or whatever else was the main business/strategic goal of their company at the time) and figured out a software feature to achieve that. Perhaps you are capable of more than just implementation, but how would a potential employer know? It's not like they'd just ask you, they want to see evidence that you have done this before, that you have been not only implementer of ideas but initiator of changes driven by your personal understanding of business needs - not matter how your role was called or what your nominal job description did/didn't include.

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

#179
Maybe consider looking for cofounder roles. Calling yourself a Product Designer and then listing mobile development, SQL, node and python as skills doesn't really align for companies and recruiters. Nobody hires for "everything" and especially not someone billing themselves as a designer. Companies beyond 1 room start ups aren't letting their designers touch their database, and nobody expects the API developer to create design mock ups and copy of product pages. This screams "novice" or "doesn't play well with others".

Know your boundaries and pick a couple things you really are good at and sell yourself on those alone, be humble about the rest if asked and choose a better fitting title if you're not applying for a product design or product team position. If I need to hire a developer and I know the role includes provisioning servers and optimizing code to scale better, I'm going to send resumes titled "product designer" to the trash.

Re: Ask HN: I’ve been applying to a million jobs

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I take it you're applying to NYC startups without a US working visa. Even though you are willing to work remote it is an extra hassle to hire you instead of a local. Most startups won't go through the trouble if they can get comparable locals. So either indicate why you are unique and so much better than Americans or start looking for jobs in Europe. Also, it helps to know people.

Yup. Timezone differences, flying people back and forth overseas, dealing with international payments and employment law and visas and such is a hassle. If you don't have a visa already, you'll have to convince some company that you're so much better than all of the people they could hire locally that they're willing to put up with it for you.

At the beginning of your career, you aren't going to be that interesting. Look for some local jobs first.

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