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Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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bogomipz wrote: post #28
endless1234 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>With those speeds 5G could be an alternative/replacement for cable/DSL for home internet access. Though 3/4G already is, it's what many people use instead of wired internet here (Finland) and it's often marketed as such. I rarely get under 25mbps in our clubroom that only has 4G internet access.

Wow so carriers have really built out their networks in Finland it sounds like. I think this is probably true of all the Nordics no? There are no caps on your 4G? I am curious are you using a mobile router? My experience with these has been that there were data caps attached to them and the plan, as opposed to a 4G unlimited plan on my phone.

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Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by Thaxll »

bogomipz wrote: post #23

Spectra efficiency and even faster data rates are nice but I wonder are carriers going going to upgrade backhaul link and IP core network to allow customers to take full advantage of 5G air interface? This a huge capex spending. I wonder if customers willing to pay even more exorbitant prices for 5G plans for their phone? With those speeds 5G could be an alternative/replacement for cable/DSL for home internet access.…

Latency / jitter is still a problem for some customers ( gaming ect .. )

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by paglia_s »

mstade wrote: post #30
bogomipz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow so carriers have really built out their networks in Finland it sounds like. I think this is probably true of all the Nordics no? There are no caps on your 4G? I am curious are you using a mobile router? My experience with these has been that there were data caps attached to them and the plan, as opposed to a 4G unlimited plan on my phone.

I can't speak for Finland, but in Sweden I don't think there are any plans with unlimited data anymore, that weren't grandfathered. There used to be when 3G was the norm, but now that 4G is available pretty much everywhere you'll be capped most likely. My plan for instance is capped at 100gb I believe, for which I pay about 500-600 SEK / month. (This includes all domestic voice and texts too.)

that's 52-62€ or 56-67 dollars

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by artursapek »

callesgg wrote: post #20

These days with 4G i do find that it is not the technology that is the bottleneck. It is the carierers trying to hold on to their business model. I would prefer if we aimed our research on increasing coverage.

I think the software is also often a bottleneck. Specifically bandwidth-greedy websites.

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by ptaipale »

mstade wrote: post #30
bogomipz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow so carriers have really built out their networks in Finland it sounds like. I think this is probably true of all the Nordics no? There are no caps on your 4G? I am curious are you using a mobile router? My experience with these has been that there were data caps attached to them and the plan, as opposed to a 4G unlimited plan on my phone.

I can't speak for Finland, but in Sweden I don't think there are any plans with unlimited data anymore, that weren't grandfathered. There used to be when 3G was the norm, but now that 4G is available pretty much everywhere you'll be capped most likely. My plan for instance is capped at 100gb I believe, for which I pay about 500-600 SEK / month. (This includes all domestic voice and texts too.)

In Finland 4G data contracts tend to be limitless. I pay 30 € per month for a package of 2 SIM cards which both have unlimited 4G data (no voice or SMS services packed in). The other one for a pad, the other one is my home's fixed network with appliances and WLAN connected.

I'm not entirely happy with current operator, though; I used to get 15 Mbit/s downlink but now it's often 3 Mbit/s at home, which is not enough. I might switch operator.

(At work I get 25 Mbit/s with the pad so the limit is clearly in poor coverage of operator DNA in my residential area, at work it is OK.)

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by kogepathic »

neom wrote: post #21
yorwba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give more information? From your description, it sounds like "Let's limit possible DDOS targets for hacked things to just factories." , which doesn't strike me as a solution.

I recently did a small talk to some fortune CTOs who have sizable physical operations and logistics. Their heads exploded when I asked what the plan was for the 150,000 little computers they just placed on their LAN DDoSing the operational systems.

> who have sizable physical operations and logistics

As an outsider, I find that quite a strange reaction. I mean, when I ship something with DHL, Fedex, or UPS, they're able to give me (I assume) quite accurate tracking information. So clearly they already have a bunch of sensors in their sorting facility and trucks to monitor when a package has arrived/departed.

From what I've heard of Amazon logistics centres, it seems that they would already have thousands of sensors there to scan, transport, label, etc items in the warehouse.

But I do work with electricity utilities, where technologies like FTP and ModbusTCP are still considered cutting edge...

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by kogepathic »

bogomipz wrote: post #28
endless1234 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>With those speeds 5G could be an alternative/replacement for cable/DSL for home internet access. Though 3/4G already is, it's what many people use instead of wired internet here (Finland) and it's often marketed as such. I rarely get under 25mbps in our clubroom that only has 4G internet access.

Wow so carriers have really built out their networks in Finland it sounds like. I think this is probably true of all the Nordics no? There are no caps on your 4G? I am curious are you using a mobile router? My experience with these has been that there were data caps attached to them and the plan, as opposed to a 4G unlimited plan on my phone.

> Wow so carriers have really built out their networks in Finland it sounds like. There are no caps on your 4G?

Not Finnish but have lots of Finnish friends. They pay for the speed of the service, not data transfer. [0] So for example you would pay to have a SIM card with 10MBit/s, 20MBit/s, 30MBit/s, etc.

They're always horrified to hear that we have data caps in Germany. At least here if you exceed your cap they just throttle you to 2G speeds. Interestingly, it seems that Finland mobile subscribers use more data than the average German fixed line subscriber. [1]

In Canada if you exceed the cap the carrier starts charging you exorbitant amounts of money per GB (on to of the already insane monthly cost of the plan).

[0] http://dfmonitor.eu/insights/2016_may_finland_mobile_data_us...

[1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/finnish-like-unlimited-mobile...

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by neom »

kogepathic wrote: post #37
neom wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently did a small talk to some fortune CTOs who have sizable physical operations and logistics. Their heads exploded when I asked what the plan was for the 150,000 little computers they just placed on their LAN DDoSing the operational systems.

> who have sizable physical operations and logistics As an outsider, I find that quite a strange reaction. I mean, when I ship something with DHL, Fedex, or UPS, they're able to give me (I assume) quite accurate tracking information. So clearly they already have a bunch of sensors in their sorting facility and trucks to monitor when a package has arrived/departed. From what I've heard of Amazon logistics centres, it…

Yeah, for sure not at that scale!!! I wish I was talking to their CTOs ;)

Think 10-20MM a year in operating costs (small feet of trucks, few large facilities) - you're on the right track when you mentioned utilities. Even a business like $TWNK will likely have to think about this if they have not already. :)

Re: 5G Network end-to-end demonstration by Ericsson

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Post by pault »

bogomipz wrote: post #23

Spectra efficiency and even faster data rates are nice but I wonder are carriers going going to upgrade backhaul link and IP core network to allow customers to take full advantage of 5G air interface? This a huge capex spending. I wonder if customers willing to pay even more exorbitant prices for 5G plans for their phone? With those speeds 5G could be an alternative/replacement for cable/DSL for home internet access.…

I use an LTE hotspot as my main access point in Belize, but I have to pay $5/GB for it. :(

Edit: My hotspot tends to run at around 22Mb/sec, which is faster than the fastest DSL line you can get here, which is 16Mb and costs $400/mo.

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