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Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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You might say getcrafty.com was a golden egg that Etsy was smart enough to pick up and run with. In 2004 getcrafty was already drawing _many thousands_ of passionate (mainly female) crafters from all over the world, the smartest of whom were already experimenting with online sales.

From a 2007 NYTimes story:

"Getcrafty was filled with project ideas and how-tos as well as discussion forums, which played a crucial role in building the craft-as-community idea that Etsy would later tap into. “Knitting is part of the same do-it-yourself ethos that spawned zines and mixtapes,” Debbie Stoller, editor of Bust, a pop-culture-meets-feminism magazine, declared. Stoller wrote a series of “Stitch N Bitch” books, which became part of a trend toward the formation of social-crafting groups across the country. More Web gathering points emerged, like Craftster and SuperNaturale. Offline, a communal make-stuff group called Church of Craft formed chapters in several cities.

Crafting had attained a subculture status by 2004, when Railla hired a New York University student named Robert Kalin and some friends to redesign Getcrafty. Kalin had been studying philosophy and classics, but, he told me, he was pessimistic about the job-market value of his degree and was looking for something more entrepreneurial. While he had a bit of woodworking experience, he and his friend Chris Maguire were basically techie types; they hadn’t known much about the handcrafting movement that was bringing so many young women to Getcrafty. “We were the only guys around,” Kalin recalls.

Soon he had an idea for a different kind of site that this burgeoning craft community might find useful: an online marketplace. By that time, plenty of crafters were not simply doing it themselves — they were selling what they had done. There’s nothing surprising about people who enjoy doing something (playing guitar, writing poetry, knitting a bikini) wondering if maybe there isn’t a way to make a living at it. But the scene that Kalin stumbled upon turned out to be brimming with entrepreneurial spirit."

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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post #18

Over 90% of Etsy users are women. Their market isn't underserved by just eBay–but rather the entire web. My wife loves Etsy. She's tech-savvy, loves to craft, loves fashion, and loves to shop. My guess is they overcame the chicken/egg problem because a lot of their sellers are also buyers–which allowed rapid initial growth. Mix in some good PR, people complaining on Ebay forums, VC connections, and there you go.

What is your source?

http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/01/davos-interviews-etsy-found... (97%)

http://www.doublex.com/section/work/etsycom-peddles-false-fe... ("There are virtually no male sellers on Etsy")

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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post #18

Over 90% of Etsy users are women. Their market isn't underserved by just eBay–but rather the entire web. My wife loves Etsy. She's tech-savvy, loves to craft, loves fashion, and loves to shop. My guess is they overcame the chicken/egg problem because a lot of their sellers are also buyers–which allowed rapid initial growth. Mix in some good PR, people complaining on Ebay forums, VC connections, and there you go.

What is your source?

How does Etsy determine what people can sell and can't sell on the site? I know its all hand made, but how do they draw the line?

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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post #23
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your source?

How does Etsy determine what people can sell and can't sell on the site? I know its all hand made, but how do they draw the line?

AFAICT, there's not much line-drawing happening. In terms of handmade vs retail, I've seen people essentially buy retail items, paint a little something on it, then sell the "customized" items... but it doesn't seem like it hurts Etsy much for people to do that.

And in terms of controlling quality, there definitely isn't much... :) http://www.regretsy.com/

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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Etsy tapped into one of the most passionate communities out there, which happened to be on eBay not by choice, but by necessity. If you want to find opportunities, I'd say look at who is using eBay, Amazon, etc. (as a platform) out of necessity due to a lack of alternatives. Once you find those niches, you've already established that there is a market, and if you design a product for that community, customer acquisit…

Do you think when they made those initials pitches investors had a hard time seeing the market potential for hand made items?

It seemed really obvious at the time. It was one of the clearest good ideas I've seen.

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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post #25

Hey, some of the investors are here on HN. At least, I am, anyway.

What did you like about the way they built the site and community? What don't you like, if anything? Is there one lesson in particular people can take away from Etsy?

It was more the novel marketplace I think.

Re: Ask HN: Lets talk about Etsy

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I heard they have a pretty kickass tech blog though! http://codeascraft.etsy.com/

> Chris Munns, Etsy Sys-Ops Team. Wow, where'd you hear that? :)

That kind of self-linking would get you banned at MetaFilter ;)

But tell Gerry I said to pop on over here and chime in.

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