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“Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by pvg »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #36
pvg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what 'fake news' means. It's perfectly clear the piece is speculative and it does not intentionally deceive (even if it turns out to be completely wrong).

The title is "Proof". The url has "proof". Not only is that a misleading click-baitey title, it is also false, because there is no proof.

It's in quotes. It even talks about the quotes. It's obvious from the tone of the thing it's not presented as real proof. And again, "I don't like the title" is not what makes "fake news".

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by icebraining »

flukus wrote: post #39
loeg wrote: post #32

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> the last thing we need is another proprietary OS on a device they built on the backs of the FOSS community If Google builds this kernel from the ground up and chooses to license it MIT, how is any binary derived from that "built on the backs of the FOSS community?"

They would likely keep a lot of the gnu userland. Let's not forget that google themselves are built on the backs of the FOSS community, without FOSS there might not be a google at all, certainly not an android.

They would likely keep a lot of the gnu userland.

There's nothing to keep, Android already doesn't use the GNU userland. They built their own libc (bionic) and the commands are all using busybox, IIRC.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by afsina »

sitharus wrote: post #10
jsmeaton wrote: post #9

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I don't understand the dangers of BSD style licenses, can you expand on that a bit please?

The "danger" is BSD licenses are highly permissive, you can take BSD licensed software, modify it and sell it and never return the changes to the community or release the source to customers. This means all the work of the OSS community is 'free' for corporations to take.

Coders are not idiots, they know that possibility and still use the license for their open source code. So, "danger" is a silly word to describe this.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by btbuilder »

flukus wrote: post #22
jsmeaton wrote: post #9

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I don't understand the dangers of BSD style licenses, can you expand on that a bit please?

The danger is that it can return to closed source at any time.

This is true for GPL too if the copyright holders (authors or rights holders if signed over) decide to relicense. It has happened many times before. An example would be Nessus.

This wouldn't retroactively change already released code however.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by CaptSpify »

frik wrote: post #16

It was pretty obvious for some time, but it's good that the dots are connected and documented, for some kind of proof. Fuchsia OS will be huge, even if it's hidden in the background. Samsung has its Tizen OS (previously Bada) for 6 years as alternative ready. If anything happens with Android that Samsung doesn't like the could ship new devices simply with Tizen and kiss Google good bye. It allowed them to get better…

Have you used Tizen at all? How do you like it, if so?

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

pvg wrote: post #41
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title is "Proof". The url has "proof". Not only is that a misleading click-baitey title, it is also false, because there is no proof.

It's in quotes. It even talks about the quotes. It's obvious from the tone of the thing it's not presented as real proof. And again, "I don't like the title" is not what makes "fake news".

Well this is quite a silly discussion then. If the author is using a title to mean something other than the words in the title in a manner such that the author still protects the veracity of the title, then what is the point of the title? All I can tell it is just a clickbait title.

And then I read the article and see that it is a bunch of speculation and making inferences from puns.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by pvg »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #47
pvg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in quotes. It even talks about the quotes. It's obvious from the tone of the thing it's not presented as real proof. And again, "I don't like the title" is not what makes "fake news".

Well this is quite a silly discussion then. If the author is using a title to mean something other than the words in the title in a manner such that the author still protects the veracity of the title, then what is the point of the title? All I can tell it is just a clickbait title. And then I read the article and see that it is a bunch of speculation and making inferences from puns.

I don't think it's a great article or that great a title. But the fact that it's speculation is completely obvious. And that bit of punctuation is used to change the literal meaning of words, yes. It's just how English works.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by yorwba »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #28
jvreeland wrote: post #11

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This is a pretty simplistic explanation, but the BSD license doesn't require you to provide the source to customers. Essentially the argument is that companies will consume FOSS software without contributing back improvements to the determent of the community.

Isn't that really the norm now with hosted applications, if I patch nginx on my server there is no obligation to create a pull request.

It is the norm because most FOSS is not licensed under the AGPL.

In any case, even AGPL does not require you to create a pull request, you only have to make the source available to your users, i.e. everyone who connects to your patched server.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by yellowapple »

arca_vorago wrote: post #3

I thought google would do something like this. They didn't want to fully embrace linux so they locked all the freedom of linux away behind restrictrions in android until they had a replacement and now they are going to try to drop gnu+linux anything GPL they can... The new kernel is MIT/BSD... Welcome to Tivoization all over again. I get the need for a better kernel, the gnu+linux kernel is out of control at over 14m…

"The new kernel is MIT/BSD... Welcome to Tivoization all over again."

1) Linux doesn't prevent tivoization, either; it uses the GPLv2, whereas anti-tivoization language was introduced in the GPLv3.

2) If Google wanted to make this proprietary, they could've made this proprietary. Why bother releasing it under an absurdly-permissive license if they wanted it to be proprietary?

"I wish people understood the dangers of BSD style licenses"

I wish people understood the dangers of copyleft licenses, particularly strict ones. The same exact rules preventing reuse in proprietary products apply to other FOSS projects as well. The GPL's "compatibility" with other FOSS licenses is a one-way street.

BSD-style licenses are literally as free as you can get (short of a license that's functionally equivalent to a public domain dedication). Any other license adds restrictions and reduces freedoms. Absolutely nothing about this project indicates "proprietary"; the license choice indicates the exact opposite.

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