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“Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by jvreeland »

jsmeaton wrote: post #9
arca_vorago wrote: post #3

I thought google would do something like this. They didn't want to fully embrace linux so they locked all the freedom of linux away behind restrictrions in android until they had a replacement and now they are going to try to drop gnu+linux anything GPL they can... The new kernel is MIT/BSD... Welcome to Tivoization all over again. I get the need for a better kernel, the gnu+linux kernel is out of control at over 14m…

I don't understand the dangers of BSD style licenses, can you expand on that a bit please?

This is a pretty simplistic explanation, but the BSD license doesn't require you to provide the source to customers. Essentially the argument is that companies will consume FOSS software without contributing back improvements to the determent of the community.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by stephenr »

sitharus wrote: post #10
jsmeaton wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the dangers of BSD style licenses, can you expand on that a bit please?

The "danger" is BSD licenses are highly permissive, you can take BSD licensed software, modify it and sell it and never return the changes to the community or release the source to customers. This means all the work of the OSS community is 'free' for corporations to take.

So basically, if you make some improvements to something, you get to control those improvements. What a horrible idea that is.

Note: this is clearly sarcasm, and it pains me that I need to put this here, but some won't get it.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by therealmarv »

relics443 wrote: post #2

I find it hard to believe that 8+ years of APIs and OS level code would be abandoned just like that, especially given the scale of Android. If this ever happens, it would probably be an extremely slow, well thought out (hopefully), well documented (also hopefully) rollout.

Exactly. This sort of switch seems for me also a good way to increase the amount of bugs by a large scale. It may only work for very specific hardware I think.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by tortasaur »

stephenr wrote: post #12
sitharus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "danger" is BSD licenses are highly permissive, you can take BSD licensed software, modify it and sell it and never return the changes to the community or release the source to customers. This means all the work of the OSS community is 'free' for corporations to take.

So basically, if you make some improvements to something, you get to control those improvements. What a horrible idea that is. Note: this is clearly sarcasm, and it pains me that I need to put this here, but some won't get it.

Considering it doesn't sustain the free software you needed to improve in the first place, yes, that is a terrible idea.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by frik »

It was pretty obvious for some time, but it's good that the dots are connected and documented, for some kind of proof. Fuchsia OS will be huge, even if it's hidden in the background.

Samsung has its Tizen OS (previously Bada) for 6 years as alternative ready. If anything happens with Android that Samsung doesn't like the could ship new devices simply with Tizen and kiss Google good bye. It allowed them to get better agreements. I wonder why Samsung waited that long, they had a near monopoly around 2012 with Android devices, now several new chinese players entered the market.

Samsung TV and Gear, and some phones run already on Tizen and some older on Bada. (Tizen is Linux based, it's history is complex and some involvement was also from Intel and Nokia (before the MSFT inside job)).

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by techenthusiast »

RubenSandwich wrote: post #8

I'm sorry but his "proof" is mostly just puns. Sometimes OSS projects are given pun names simply for laughs, not because of some deeper meaning. No doubt Google is researching new OSs, View Managers and development frameworks. (Every company that large does.) But I think it's too early to call it a potential successor; architecture takes a long time to change.

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Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by pavanky »

stephenr wrote: post #12
sitharus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "danger" is BSD licenses are highly permissive, you can take BSD licensed software, modify it and sell it and never return the changes to the community or release the source to customers. This means all the work of the OSS community is 'free' for corporations to take.

So basically, if you make some improvements to something, you get to control those improvements. What a horrible idea that is. Note: this is clearly sarcasm, and it pains me that I need to put this here, but some won't get it.

Eh you are not losing control with GPL. If you choose not to contribute back (when using a non copy left license), you are choosing to not provide control to anyone else.

Re: “Proof” that Fuchsia will replace Linux for Google

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Post by cpeterso »

relics443 wrote: post #2

I find it hard to believe that 8+ years of APIs and OS level code would be abandoned just like that, especially given the scale of Android. If this ever happens, it would probably be an extremely slow, well thought out (hopefully), well documented (also hopefully) rollout.

I agree. Why throw out the whole stack: kernel, APIs, and applications?

OTOH, why is Google developing the Fuchsia? It is clearly more than a hobby project.

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