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Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by amyjess »

mynewtb wrote: post #27
dave_sullivan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is awesome and much needed. Just throwing it out there, but would you consider making a dump of the data you scraped that could be used by data scientists? Maybe as a torrent or something like that? Data about movies and what people say about them could form the basis of a lot of NLP projects. What other big datasets are there for forum post text data? The reddit dataset most immediately comes to mind, and I've…

ArchiveTeam's web archives will be available to everyone without restrictions or profit as usual.

Well, thanks to your comment, I just found out ArchiveTeam exists.

Thank you!

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by cpeterso »

JimSmith84 wrote: post #2

Hi Everyone, My name’s Jim, and I created MovieChat.org as an archive and replacement for IMDB’s message boards which are shutting down this week. For those of you not familiar, the IMDb message boards allowed you to discuss any single movie or tv show with others (there was a separate forum for each movie/show). IMDb recently announced they were shutting down the message boards and its users were furious (there's a…

Interesting project? The IMDb message boards were a good way to get some additional insight after watching a movie. Or at least give me a good laugh at the trolls. :)

Who owns this post data? IMDb? The users? Do you have any plans or ideas for existing IMDb users to somehow claim their username on MovieChat, linking to their archived posts?

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by OldSchoolJohnny »

dewey wrote: post #9

Please add https, now with Let's encrypt there's really no excuse to not have it.

I wish! Windows servers is an excellent excuse to not have it. Two years running now there still isn't a practical solution for Windows servers and none in sight for the foreseeable future.

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by enraged_camel »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #33
dewey wrote: post #9

Please add https, now with Let's encrypt there's really no excuse to not have it.

I wish! Windows servers is an excellent excuse to not have it. Two years running now there still isn't a practical solution for Windows servers and none in sight for the foreseeable future.

I don't get it. Are you talking about SSL on Windows in general, or Let's Encrypt on Windows in particular? Because the former is absolutely possible, and not that hard to add to IIS.

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by carussell »

dewey wrote: post #26
carussell wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to confirm, do you think "swap out your webserver for something else" is a reasonable demand? > `certbot certonly` You make an assumption that this is going to work with no hiccups, across all environments. Spoiler: it doesn't. I specifically alluded to certbot and certbot-auto being (surprisingly) rough around the edges.

I'm not demanding anything, I'm just listing some options and emailed the OP to offer my help.

Look, you entered a conversation where the context was that there is "no excuse" not to be using TLS today. To agree means to place demands on the people operating the endpoints where HTTPS is not yet rolled out. Your response was that these operators can "just run" their websites with TLS by swapping out their backend. You either agree that's a reasonable demand, or you don't.

Now, it is possible that you don't agree with that specific demand, and that something that involves switching the backend is merely one viable option—it's sufficient and not necessary to achieve that goal. And that's fine. But as someone who showed up to throw in their support for the claim that it's inexcusable not to be using TLS today, then the burden reverts back to you to justify the claim.

So, I ask you, as someone on record as disagreeing that it's still forgivable to be running an HTTP-only site in 2017: what are, as you see it, the minimum reasonable demands to be placed on someone operating a website?

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by dewey »

carussell wrote: post #35
dewey wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not demanding anything, I'm just listing some options and emailed the OP to offer my help.

Look, you entered a conversation where the context was that there is "no excuse" not to be using TLS today. To agree means to place demands on the people operating the endpoints where HTTPS is not yet rolled out. Your response was that these operators can "just run" their websites with TLS by swapping out their backend. You either agree that's a reasonable demand, or you don't. Now, it is possible that you don't agre…

I'm not sure why you even want to discuss the details of my simple suggestion or "demand" at length like that...

But to answer your question: I think if you are running a message board / forum for people to discuss various topics in general you should try to keep your users as safe as possible within your means. That means https, no plain text passwords in the database - basic stuff really.

PS: The DNS on your website as linked in the profile isn't set. Only the www. subdomain works.

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by carussell »

dewey wrote: post #36
carussell wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, you entered a conversation where the context was that there is "no excuse" not to be using TLS today. To agree means to place demands on the people operating the endpoints where HTTPS is not yet rolled out. Your response was that these operators can "just run" their websites with TLS by swapping out their backend. You either agree that's a reasonable demand, or you don't. Now, it is possible that you don't agre…

I'm not sure why you even want to discuss the details of my simple suggestion or "demand" at length like that... But to answer your question: I think if you are running a message board / forum for people to discuss various topics in general you should try to keep your users as safe as possible within your means. That means https, no plain text passwords in the database - basic stuff really. PS: The DNS on your websit…

> I think if you are running a message board[...]

Are we talking about the suitability of operating any unencrypted endpoint without TLS, or are we limiting ourselves to message boards? If the latter, does that mean there are forgivable reasons to run HTTP-only applications that aren't message boards?

> The DNS on your website as linked in the profile isn't set

DNS is set up, it just doesn't have an A record or CNAME for the bare (second level) domain. That's intentional.

> Only the www. subdomain works

The other subdomains are certainly working.

> I'm not sure why you even want to discuss the details of my simple suggestion or "demand" at length like that

Because in response to this:

> failure to use HTTPS[...] is still a totally forgivable sin today

You said this:

> I disagree

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by quirkafleeg »

cpeterso wrote: post #32
JimSmith84 wrote: post #2

Hi Everyone, My name’s Jim, and I created MovieChat.org as an archive and replacement for IMDB’s message boards which are shutting down this week. For those of you not familiar, the IMDb message boards allowed you to discuss any single movie or tv show with others (there was a separate forum for each movie/show). IMDb recently announced they were shutting down the message boards and its users were furious (there's a…

Interesting project? The IMDb message boards were a good way to get some additional insight after watching a movie. Or at least give me a good laugh at the trolls. :) Who owns this post data? IMDb? The users? Do you have any plans or ideas for existing IMDb users to somehow claim their username on MovieChat, linking to their archived posts?

> The IMDb message boards were a good way to get some additional insight after watching a movie. Or at least give me a good laugh at the trolls. :)

Totally agree. I often also went there before watching a TV show or movie to get an idea what it was about or if I'd like it (though wary of spoiler potential), whereas I almost never read the reviews there, which I find are often far more useless than the message board comments.

After they're gone IMDB will be just a soulless movie listing site, with no reason to visit other than to check a mark out of ten, and no reason to stick around afterwards. :/

Re: Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb Message Boards

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Post by kristianp »

otoburb wrote: post #6
JimSmith84 wrote: post #2

Hi Everyone, My name’s Jim, and I created MovieChat.org as an archive and replacement for IMDB’s message boards which are shutting down this week. For those of you not familiar, the IMDb message boards allowed you to discuss any single movie or tv show with others (there was a separate forum for each movie/show). IMDb recently announced they were shutting down the message boards and its users were furious (there's a…

Thank you for this. I'm curious if IMDB considers their (soon to be former) forum posts under copyright, or if you already have a plan in place. One actually hopes that IMDB doesn't in fact have any claim on posts written by users that happened to be hosted on their site.

From http://www.imdb.com/board/announcement

"...disable our message boards on February 3, 2017 but will leave them open for two additional weeks so that users will have ample time to archive any message board content they'd like to keep for personal use."

Note the "personal use" above. Is a website like MovieChat.org considered personal use?

From http://www.imdb.com/conditions , section Copyright: "The compilation of all content included in or made available through any IMDb Service is the exclusive property of IMDb...".

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