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U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

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Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

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Wonder how much of this can be tied to the economy getting better and more people buying/driving (used and less safe) cars when they previously couldn't afford to.

What about sharply falling gasoline prices? https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-915-march-7-2016-avera...

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I think some of it must be an unintended consequence of usage bans. People still do it, they just keep the phone out of sight, and this keeps their concentration off the road for longer. (And of course you can't type by feel on a virtual keyboard.)

This. I text while driving very rarely, but when it was legal I would with my arm straight ahead so I could see the road and my phone. My phone's now been relegated to below the dash.

Stop fucking texting while driving!

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#43
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There is no federal database of traffic fatalities? In terms of human resources we lose on the order of 150 billion (40000 *7,000,000 /2 ) dollars a year in traffic fatalities. That's not including the lost work from injuries. That's like 1% of the GDP. You would think that this would be a good enough reason to at least compile a database of causes. Even an incomplete one could be useful.

There is https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

I meant a database of individual fatalities. That was probably not clear.

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#44
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also conducted a survey that indicates some possible causes for the steady increases, including speed, texting via touch input or voice, as well as driving while under the influence. I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. And now that most drivers choose to use their smartphones as GPS rather than a dedicated GPS device, I think it's going to get much worse.

I blame the various fingerprint scanners within phones. I have have a strong password on Android - no chance I will ever type that while driving.

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#45
Along with the absolutely horrific case where the driver uses a smart phone WHILE driving, from my personal observation, another component is the one where a lot of drivers will immediately hop on their devices as soon as they reach a temporary stop, be it at a street light or an intersection. This creates a lot of delays and confusion in traffic due to the fact the driver is actively incapacitated in participating in traffic.

In this environment, having a car that has active collision control/prevention mechanisms is more and more a necessity.

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#46

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> I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. This. My car insurance went up 25% recently b/c of this trend. That's right, OTHER PEOPLES behavior is costing me money. I guess thats how insurance works though right. I mean the insurance companies need to be guaranteed to make money right???

More or less, yes they do need to be guaranteed to make money. At least on average anyway. Or they will stop writing insurance policies.

The insurance business is the best racket to be in, same as private prison industry. Customers are guaranteed.

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#47
Watch a busy street at night during heavy traffic. You can see from the light shining off driver's faces that 40%~ of them are either using their phones or another system while driving.

Given the proliferation of front-facing cameras and velocity sensors in all iPhones and most Android devices, it is unconscionable that these devices remain usable in these circumstances.

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#48

Does anyone know if (and where) it's possible to download a data set of all car accidents (or just fatals) for the last few years? I'd like to see things like date and time, weather conditions, lat/lon, make and model of cars involved, etc.

All 50 states (and territories), only fatal crashes, goes back to the 1970s: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx available via ftp or here: https://github.com/wgetsnaps/ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov--fars

All California crashes, fatal to no injury, goes back a few years at least: http://iswitrs.chp.ca.gov/Reports/jsp/userLogin.jsp (You have to create a free account)

Overall these data sets have been pretty well studied for the past few decades. The results are well documented: e.g. 6pm to midnight is the deadliest time, young males are the riskiest, older drivers are also risky, etc. Weather can actually be good for safety because people often drive slower and there are fewer cars on the road in bad conditions. But yes, weather can be a factor too.

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#49

Wonder how much of this can be tied to the economy getting better and more people buying/driving (used and less safe) cars when they previously couldn't afford to.

Moving 12-Month Total Vehicle Miles Traveled https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M12MTVUSM227NFWA

That does seem to correlate, since ~2013.

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Automated enforcement of speed limit violations would be fine, as long as our speed limits were adjusted for strict enforcement versus human enforcement. Almost everyone will drive 35-40 in a 30, but you could make a case that anyone breaking 45-50mph for more than a few seconds should automatically get a ticket. Even better, the automated enforcement could account for actual danger, using road conditions, traffic de…

Every speeder ever thinks they can speed until, well, they can't. As air drag increases quadratically with speed so does kinetic energy and pedestrian survival rates in a collision rapidly approach 0% for speeds above even 25 mph. So no, widespread violation of speed limits is not in fact an argument towards allowing the violation of speed limits. Most countries are already much more lenient here than physical realit…

I think you're talking about something else, because we should be designing for pedestrians to not be hit by cars, not making sure that pedestrians might survive the impact. At the same time, limiting modern cars to 25 mph everywhere is ridiculous.

In some high density locations, that might mean strictly enforcing a 15mph limit instead of loosely enforcing a 10mph limit, building bike lanes, public transport, pedestrian bridges, and guarded crosswalks, etc.

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