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U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

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Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#31

Wonder how much of this can be tied to the economy getting better and more people buying/driving (used and less safe) cars when they previously couldn't afford to.

You could also argue the opposite - more of the driving population can now afford safer cars.

If had to guess, I would attribute the rise to mobile devices distracting drivers - hence all the campaigns to stop texting+driving.

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#32
post #7

also conducted a survey that indicates some possible causes for the steady increases, including speed, texting via touch input or voice, as well as driving while under the influence. I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. And now that most drivers choose to use their smartphones as GPS rather than a dedicated GPS device, I think it's going to get much worse.

> I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving.

This. My car insurance went up 25% recently b/c of this trend. That's right, OTHER PEOPLES behavior is costing me money. I guess thats how insurance works though right. I mean the insurance companies need to be guaranteed to make money right???

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#33

automated enforcement for speed limit violations That is a concerning recommendation. How would this be achieved? GPS tracking? Speed limit cameras? Both methods can have serious privacy implications.

Most US law enforcement already routinely [1] use automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) with no oversight whatsoever. That is a much worse situation than speed cameras in most countries, where a picture is only taken if you did in fact exceed the limit.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recogni...

Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#36
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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately there isn't a standard way to collect this data on a national level. Believe it or not its up to that local jurisdiction, or State (in the case of state patrol) to dictate what information they gather and how it is gathered. This makes comparisons and real statistical analysis quite difficult. Source: I'm in the traffic safety industry.

There is no federal database of traffic fatalities? In terms of human resources we lose on the order of 150 billion (40000 *7,000,000 /2 ) dollars a year in traffic fatalities. That's not including the lost work from injuries. That's like 1% of the GDP. You would think that this would be a good enough reason to at least compile a database of causes. Even an incomplete one could be useful.

There is https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#37
Need stricter tests for getting a license. There's people up here in Portland that just change lanes whenever they feel like it. It's like people just don't care enough to drive safely. If you leave a big enough gap someone will just race in to take it.

Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#38

automated enforcement for speed limit violations That is a concerning recommendation. How would this be achieved? GPS tracking? Speed limit cameras? Both methods can have serious privacy implications.

Automated enforcement of speed limit violations would be fine, as long as our speed limits were adjusted for strict enforcement versus human enforcement. Almost everyone will drive 35-40 in a 30, but you could make a case that anyone breaking 45-50mph for more than a few seconds should automatically get a ticket. Even better, the automated enforcement could account for actual danger, using road conditions, traffic de…

Every speeder ever thinks they can speed until, well, they can't. As air drag increases quadratically with speed so does kinetic energy and pedestrian survival rates in a collision rapidly approach 0% for speeds above even 25 mph.

So no, widespread violation of speed limits is not in fact an argument towards allowing the violation of speed limits. Most countries are already much more lenient here than physical reality allows for.

Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#39
post #7

also conducted a survey that indicates some possible causes for the steady increases, including speed, texting via touch input or voice, as well as driving while under the influence. I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. And now that most drivers choose to use their smartphones as GPS rather than a dedicated GPS device, I think it's going to get much worse.

> I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. This. My car insurance went up 25% recently b/c of this trend. That's right, OTHER PEOPLES behavior is costing me money. I guess thats how insurance works though right. I mean the insurance companies need to be guaranteed to make money right???

More or less, yes they do need to be guaranteed to make money.

At least on average anyway. Or they will stop writing insurance policies.

Re: U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in over 50 years, per NSC

#40
post #7

also conducted a survey that indicates some possible causes for the steady increases, including speed, texting via touch input or voice, as well as driving while under the influence. I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. And now that most drivers choose to use their smartphones as GPS rather than a dedicated GPS device, I think it's going to get much worse.

> I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving. This. My car insurance went up 25% recently b/c of this trend. That's right, OTHER PEOPLES behavior is costing me money. I guess thats how insurance works though right. I mean the insurance companies need to be guaranteed to make money right???

Hey, here's a tip: If you've not taken a defensive driving class, give it a shot. A defensive driving certificate can save you $10-15/month.
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