Google’s not-so-secret new OS
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> My S3 is 4 years old now, and it is works perfectly fine. Is it still getting security patches? If not then it's not running perfectly fine.
No and I don't care, because even Google doesn't care about us. 2 years update + 1 security for mobiles that cost more than a computer is not something I am willing to pay a premium for.
You should install lineage nightly to get most up to date security: https://download.lineageos.org/i9300
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
No and I don't care, because even Google doesn't care about us. 2 years update + 1 security for mobiles that cost more than a computer is not something I am willing to pay a premium for.
You should install lineage nightly to get most up to date security: https://download.lineageos.org/i9300
Thanks, but I am against rooting devices, never saw the value in risking to brick my expensive devices.
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#494It's awesome that Google is doing this and in public too https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/ Unfortunately, the hard part of an operating system isn't in a cool API and a rendering demo. It's in integrating the fickle whims of myriad hardware devices with amazingly high expectations of reliability and performance consistency under diverse workloads. People don't like dropped frames when they plug in USB :) Writing devi…
> It's in integrating the fickle whims of myriad hardware devices with amazingly high expectations of reliability and performance consistency under diverse workloads. So much this; Linux Plumbers conference years ago was bitching about how every gorram vendor wanted to be a special snowflake, so even though the architecture was ARM, you basically had to port the kernel all over again to every new phone. I haven't kep…
Overall I agree with your sentiment but it's not just a case of "releasing your drivers" but also of getting it accepted by maintainers. If you don't have an awareness of this process from the beginning of your development cycle then it can be a massive amount of work.
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#495If nothing else comes out of this, I hope we end up with an Android OS that works better than the current one. I've been running Android since the Nexus One so I'm no newbie to the platform, but the ease with which iOS manages to get all UI interactions at ~unnoticable FPS and outstanding battery life is staggering when you're used to Android. It feels like some really fundamental choices were made badly on the platf…
I'd love to see data that concludes that iOS has better battery life than Android. I haven't seen such data and doubt the truth of that statement.
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> The simpler solution would be for out-of-kernel driver developers to get their code up to quality and merged into mainline so that they'd be ported automatically whenever there's an in-kernel api change. Or we could drive linux into irrelevance and not have to worry about that anymore. Windows and MacOS users do not have to suffer from this, why should users of an open source operating system? I for one welcome Goo…
> Or we could drive linux into irrelevance and not have to worry about that anymore I know this is going to sound flippant, but believe me it's not: who's "we" in your sentence? Google? Because I wouldn't want to see Linux "driven into irrelevance" unless it gets replaced by another free software OS which works and is not completely owned and controlled by a single corporation. Actually, I'd rather see Linux's proble…
The problem with lack of stable driver ABI in Linux will not get resolved as long as Linus et al. are calling the shots. They are fundamentally opposed to the idea, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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> This could be the first time Apple needs to truly worry about Google. Er... what? Apple has been worried, and actually threatened, by Google every day since 2008, when the first version of Android came out. Without Android, Apple would probably have a 90% monopoly on mobile phones today. Saying they might be "worried" is beyond an understatement. They are absolutely furious at Google, as Jobs was until he passed aw…
Android's global market share, even with Apple, is 85%. Bear in mind, the iPhone is only popular in the US, which is responsible for most of the remaining 15%. Outside the US, Android is a completely unquestioned monopoly.
You seem to be responding to a different post than mine.
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#498Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android's global market share, even with Apple, is 85%. Bear in mind, the iPhone is only popular in the US, which is responsible for most of the remaining 15%. Outside the US, Android is a completely unquestioned monopoly.
You seem to be responding to a different post than mine.
You know, I think on the second to last line on your comment, I transposed Apple and Android or something like that. :/
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Scratches are one thing; you can work around them with disposable screen protectors. But we're talking about a device that's constantly carried around and used (I probably have my phone on me more often than my wallet). Gorilla glass or not, it falls from a meter onto a hard surface, and you have a screen to replace. You accidentally sit on it, and you may have a screen to replace. And given the prices of replacement…
That's an interesting insight on what happens in Shenzen. If the cost is a 2x or more lesser, I wonder why that is not a thriving business, even across countries
Yeah. I fixed my S4 in Shenzhen this way about a year ago. The official way to repair broken glass is to replace the whole screen, which then went for around $170. A repair shop once asked me for somewhere around $60 for just replacing the glass manually (heat & UV glue method, glass cost included). In Shenzhen, the girl replaced the whole phone front with all electronics and replaced my back camera for total of ~$20, in exchange for my broken phone front.
I used the occasion to ask for a front for S3. She sold me one for somewhere around $50 - because I didn't have the broken one for exchange - which I later used to fix my SO's phone myself. It's not that hard after you've seen how the Chinese do it, though a little stressful - I had to use a needle to punch through a speaker canal, which for some reason wasn't hollowed out properly :).
I guess the reason it works in Shenzhen is because that's the place where the phones are made and recycled - they have tons and tons of parts for every model imaginable, both from factories and from broken phones. Given how many different phone models are out there, I doubt any city except a major metropolis could sustain this type of market.
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#500Is this an actual plan of Google as a company, or is this some sort of Microsoft-style war between divisions where the Chrome team has just decided on its own that the future is based on Chrome and Dart? Also, considering the way that the ARC runtime for Chromebooks was a failure and had to be replaced by a system that apparently essentially runs Android in a container, will it really be possible for a completely dif…
The idea of factions in Microsoft fighting for control is interesting to me from a historical perspective - do you have any books or sources I can read to get the full story?