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Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by usrusr »

michaelmrose wrote: post #249

It was unfortunately obvious that the writer had insufficient tech chops when use the phrase "a post-API programming model" But pressing on how somehow manages to blame the lack of updates to android phones on the modularity of the Linux kernel. The joke of course being that linux is monolithic and googles new OS is a microkernel ergo more modular. The quote is "...however. I also have to imagine the Android update p…

> The only way they can get more of your money is to sell you a new phone which they hope to do between 1-2 years from now.

Which is why I would absolutely love to see a hardware vendor adopt paid updates, with a mission statement along these lines:

"we cannot believably promise a reliable progression of software updates, because too many before is have tried and failed. What we can do, however, is rewrite the rules so that we will have a much stronger incentive to follow through than or predecessors".

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by SixSigma »

josefx wrote: post #117
mark242 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sun tried that, back in the day. Maybe you heard about Java applets, maybe you didn't. They were the slowest thing about the web, insecure even with a sandbox, and just an overall pain. Short of having a jvm always running on your machine, the performance of Android-via-Chrome will completely turn people off the Android ecosystem.

I remember two issues with Java Applets: * Java itself was slow for a long time * The Browser would hang while loading an Applet The first is no longer an issue. They can just use a modern just in time compiler and it wont run slower than Java on Android. Chrome already has one to deal with JavaScript powered Web 2.0 applications. The second was as far as I can tell an API issue. Applets would block everything by def…

> I remember two issues with Java Applets

I remember issue no.3 :

United States Court of Appeals,Ninth Circuit.

SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC., a Delaware Corporation, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. MICROSOFT CORPORATION, a Washington corporation, Defendant-Appellant.

No. 99-15046.

Decided: August 23, 1999

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1260682.html

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by giancarlostoro »

kristoffer wrote: post #400
dTal wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The OEMs ought to send these upstream, but don't want to. Isn't this a rampant GPL violation? Why do we put up with this? We are about to lose the war for general purpose computing due to insufficient GPL enforcement.

No it's not a "rampant" violation. Some people believe it is a violation and some not. Linus Torvalds being one who thinks its's fine. See e.g. https://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/14/218

From the link: > But if the module was written for other systems, and just ported to Linux, and not using our code, then it's very much debatable whether it's actually a "derived work". Interfaces don't make "derived works" per se.

Interesting, wonder where this puts Android's Dalvik VM (is the VM called this too? I don't remember). Edit: Not sure what the JVM Dalvik is based on is licensed as though.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by pjmlp »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #413
pjmlp wrote: post #387

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I had some performance issues, but they got sorted out when swapped the battery for a new one.

A battery ? How would that help? Not doubting you, just honest question. I feel like I'm missing something very important about how smartphones work.

I guess the processor wasn't being fed properly in regards to electricity, meaning not executing at the speed it was supposed to or other side effects.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

usrusr wrote: post #431
michaelmrose wrote: post #249

It was unfortunately obvious that the writer had insufficient tech chops when use the phrase "a post-API programming model" But pressing on how somehow manages to blame the lack of updates to android phones on the modularity of the Linux kernel. The joke of course being that linux is monolithic and googles new OS is a microkernel ergo more modular. The quote is "...however. I also have to imagine the Android update p…

> The only way they can get more of your money is to sell you a new phone which they hope to do between 1-2 years from now. Which is why I would absolutely love to see a hardware vendor adopt paid updates, with a mission statement along these lines: "we cannot believably promise a reliable progression of software updates, because too many before is have tried and failed. What we can do, however, is rewrite the rules…

Could that back fire? There are cases where humans judge taking no action because it avoids costs as inherently better than taking action to bring in profit even when others in general are better off. I could see a lot of people getting mad at being charged for updates which cost money who wouldn't get mad when there are no updates because the company doesn't want to lose money making free updates. It's almost like a section of society judges not helping as better than helping for some price, even though anyone who doesn't want to pay is no worse off than if they were never given an option. I see this trend outside of business as well.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

iainmerrick wrote: post #426

"Fuchsia" and "magenta" are pretty gutsy names to choose, given how similar it sound to Apple's vaporware "Pink" OS from the 90s (AKA Taligent, AKA Copland). Somebody has a sense of humor! It's really hard to tell if this is actually something that will ship, or yet another Google boondoggle to be swiftly discarded (like the first attempt at ChromeOS for tablets). Google under Larry Page built and discarded a lot of…

Sounds like a stretch having to go all the way back to the 90's to get a similar color code name.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by ungzd »

wapz wrote: post #24

I'm a minority I know but I don't like material design because it's terrible at "scaling." It looks great, it's beautiful, but you lose too much damn functionality. When I had to redo apps to material design we had to completely remove multiple buttons due to them not fitting material design standards. I really hope they have some way to alleviate this problem without using 50px icons for all the extra buttons.

I think this OS will be mostly for entertainment so there's no need for lots of UI, only "Play" and "Pause" buttons.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by OOPMan »

e98cuenc wrote: post #266
reacweb wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, the history was different. Java applets were initially secure in a sandbox and faster than what was possible with the "javascript" of that era. Applets have become slow to start many years latter when bloated "enterprise" applications have been produced in abusive ways. The security of applets has started to deteriorate a bit slightly before the death of Sun. It has become a security hell only since it is in th…

The startup time was horrible . The speed, once it was running, was good, but the startup time made it completely unusable on the web. The ugly default UIs in Java did not help. I did my fair share of applets back in the day, starting with the very first public versions and have very vivid memories of the loading screen :)

It's worth remembering that Applets were active at a time when the Internet, as a whole, was a lot slower.

Although yeah, even with our newfangled fibre connections applets are still pretty bloated.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by ungzd »

I think it's intended for entertainment and content consumption just like Android and Chrome OS. And Apple is trying the same with merging iOS and desktop. How long it will take until all computers will be set-top boxes where you can only netflix and chill and if you want, for example, to draw something, you have to buy Professional Grade Computer for $50000?

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by devenvdev »

usrusr wrote: post #431
michaelmrose wrote: post #249

It was unfortunately obvious that the writer had insufficient tech chops when use the phrase "a post-API programming model" But pressing on how somehow manages to blame the lack of updates to android phones on the modularity of the Linux kernel. The joke of course being that linux is monolithic and googles new OS is a microkernel ergo more modular. The quote is "...however. I also have to imagine the Android update p…

> The only way they can get more of your money is to sell you a new phone which they hope to do between 1-2 years from now. Which is why I would absolutely love to see a hardware vendor adopt paid updates, with a mission statement along these lines: "we cannot believably promise a reliable progression of software updates, because too many before is have tried and failed. What we can do, however, is rewrite the rules…

Funny, today we were talking with my co-workers about the new Samsung ads... "Samsung A5 - a new Samsung every year" Samsung A5 - more than you need" Rediculous...
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